In Obama's budget, it's techies vs. taxes
By Jia Lynn Yang, writer
There's a frequent line in President Obama's speeches that makes every U.S. tech executive cringe: his vow to cut tax breaks for “companies that ship our jobs overseas.”
Obama's brushing over some details here. The U.S. tax code does not literally give a company a tax break every time it moves a job offshore. But it does allow companies to defer paying taxes on their overseas profits, so long as the money remains invested outside the U.S.
Obama has vowed to change this part of the law, and for months tech CEOs have been coming through Washington howling about the dire consequences of raising such taxes on multinationals. They've made some inroads with the administration, but based on what's in the president's 2011 budget released last week, Silicon Valley and DC are far from done battling over taxes.
The details are buried in the budget on page 161, Table S-8 under the heading "Reform the U.S. international tax system" (a word of warning: the link takes you to a sizeable PDF). If the proposed changes go through, the administration estimates it will bring in $122.2 billion in added tax revenue. As far as the administration is concerned, the added money will not only help close the gaping deficit, but stop U.S. companies from ducking out of domestic taxes by shopping around for which country has the best tax rate. For instance Ireland, with a rate of 12.5%, has become a popular destination for manufacturing.
Tax cheats?
In the U.S., it’s tech companies who have raised the biggest stink about the proposed change. Tech companies argue that they’re being treated like tax cheats when all they’re trying to do is find the best place to make their products. The distinction isn’t always easy to see. “It's not like there's a good group of companies and a bad group of companies,” says George Yin, a tax professor at the University of Virginia School of Law. “There's a blend of activities going on, some of which you might think of as good and legitimate, and others that are designed to reduce the overall tax liability.” Yin says the problem with the president's proposal is that it doesn't do enough to differentiate between so-called good activity and so-called bad activity.
And it's the “good activity” that the president must be careful not to step on as the economy slowly recovers. James Hines, a professor of economics and law at the University of Michigan, points out that if foreign competitors are exploiting the lower tax rates of other countries, maybe U.S. companies should be able to do the same, even if the so-called loopholes look distasteful. “Your sense of what's right and wrong has to be conditioned by what the rest of the world does,” Hines.
How the money comes home
Not only that — many economists argue that Obama is simply wrong when he asserts that companies expanding abroad cost jobs at home. Hines has done research showing that for U.S. companies in manufacturing industries from 1982 to 2004, 10% greater foreign investment was associated with 2.6% greater domestic investment. In other words, discouraging overseas activity is exactly the wrong way to create jobs inside the country.
“We want to help the Administration generate new jobs and expand the manufacturing base domestically,” said Intel's vice president and legal and corporate affairs director Peter Cleveland in an email. “To do that, the President's ideas on innovation are spot on…But some of the international tax policies create financial strain for the company and will restrict our ability to grow the business.”
Someone seems to be listening to Intel (INTC). Last year's budget proposed changes to the international tax code that would've added $210 billion in taxes from multinationals, almost $100 billion more than this year. One major change is the administration has walked away from its proposal to override so-called “check the box rules” relating to how a company classifies its subsidiaries for tax purposes. Critics say the current system makes it easy for corporations to shift income from their foreign affiliates into tax havens.
Washington may still raise taxes but it’s not ignoring Silicon Valley altogether.
Here we go again – we Americans thinking that its our god given right to a high paying job. We have de-valued education, stopped investing in research and development, allowed the math and sciences to deteriorate but we wonder why companies don't want to pay us high wages. Its because we are not worth it anymore! Why pay an American $25/hr when a Mexican can do it for $8? Same product, does the same thing. Least we forget the purpose of a corporation is to make a profit, NOT to provide an over compensated role to a self interested American.
As Americans we need to whine less and get back to innovating if we are ever going to be competitive again.
Gee let's find more ways to make being headquartered in the US even more expensive. I am sure that the Swiss are loving all the corporate tax increase threats coming out of Washington these days. There is a reason that there is very little office space left in Zürich and Zug.
It would be far better to add a VAT tax and scrap the current income tax system. If deferral of foreign earnings is scrapped, that will encourage more companies to move offshore to tax havens. A VAT tax would ensure that both foreign and domestic companies are treated equally. Also, it would ensure that off-shoring services are fully taxed as they should be. Currently, only the repatriated profit on offshore services are being taxed. Why should a person in India accessing an application on a US based server not be taxed the same as a telecommuter in the US. Income on that work is earned in the US because the basing of the application in the US gives the US Govt nexus to tax 100% of the income and not just the profit made by the hiring company. To hold otherwise is inconsistent with the way the US taxes US based telecommuters. Europe is currently assessing a 30% VAT on services provided by offshore companies. Why not the US?
That is insane! "it does allow companies to defer paying taxes on their overseas profits, so long as the money remains invested outside the U.S." What a TOTALLY INSANE POLICY! Any company that does not immediately reinvest the money IN THE USA should be immediately taxed on that money.
The issue is jobs that could be done here are and have been going overseas. This action deprives an american of employment and robs the US of taxes this american would have paid. Tech firms and manufacturing are equally irresponsible in shipping jobs overseas and both should be taxed sufficiently to replace the lost revenue to the US. But, the american who does not have a job because it is overseas is still suffering because of corporations looking at profits without considering what they are doing to the fabric of american culture.
Looks like companies that are staying afloat are going to get buried if the new tax law gets passed. Its foreign competitors will surely bury them. So, those US companies that ship jobs abroad that still have 30% staff in the US will have to lay off the 30% staff too. It will only make things worse.
Why only tech firms? why not manufacturing too?
Dont we know..most joblosses are due to manufacturing offshoring?
plus few % of tax wont make companies move jobs back to US. Benefit of offshoring is more than 50%.. ru going to tax 50%?? if not then its useless move..like other steps…eg healthcare reform
And at some point, those "U.S. companies" become the "foreign competitors." If a company goes through the trouble of moving its workforce to save a buck, it can certainly move its headquarters too.




"Least we forget the purpose of a corporation is to make a profit, NOT to provide an over compensated role to a self interested American."
The purpose of a corporation is to provide a service at the least cost. Profit is the payment for a job well-done and is by no means guaranteed.
You may be right, we are not entitled to high wages, but we are not required to subsidize the world's labor force with tax breaks either.
Remember most of these people who run these companies are the products of the same education system as you and I.