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	<title>Comments on: Analyst: Palm has sold 150,000 Pres</title>
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		<title>By: Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/24/analyst-palm-has-sold-150000-pres-so-far/#comment-26388</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apple fanboys,

don&#039;t feel threatened by Pre. it is not going to hurt iPhone. Palm is small company they pulled a nice phone with limited resources they have. take a moment and appreciate it. it may not be perfect but it is still nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apple fanboys,</p>
<p>don&#039;t feel threatened by Pre. it is not going to hurt iPhone. Palm is small company they pulled a nice phone with limited resources they have. take a moment and appreciate it. it may not be perfect but it is still nice.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Ontario</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/24/analyst-palm-has-sold-150000-pres-so-far/#comment-26387</link>
		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Ontario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One extremely important point in writing the OpenBES, don&#039;t make the same mistake as BES in locking the hardware device layer to one supplier only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One extremely important point in writing the OpenBES, don&#039;t make the same mistake as BES in locking the hardware device layer to one supplier only.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Ontario</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/24/analyst-palm-has-sold-150000-pres-so-far/#comment-26386</link>
		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Ontario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BES is not that hard to rewrite or replace in comparison to an entire operating system like Linux.



I and a few other security engineers may just be tempted to invite others we know to undertake a project to clone BES. Perhaps a good project for all the universities and colleges of the world? OpenBES?......I like the sound of that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BES is not that hard to rewrite or replace in comparison to an entire operating system like Linux.</p>
<p>I and a few other security engineers may just be tempted to invite others we know to undertake a project to clone BES. Perhaps a good project for all the universities and colleges of the world? OpenBES?&#8230;&#8230;I like the sound of that</p>
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		<title>By: KenC, Gardiner, Maine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenC, Gardiner, Maine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things:

One, wasn&#039;t Dan Hesse, the CEO of Sprint quoted as saying that replenishments were &quot;weekly&quot;? How does Abramsky get daily replenishments?



Two, as I&#039;ve pointed out before, Changewave surveys are highly unreliable. Correlation to actual results have not been shown. If you recall, last Fall, Changewave, aka Paul Carton, stated that Apple was going to have lousy sales. This caused Katie Huberty to drop her price targets on Apple, twice in one week. Of course, when Apple reported sales, the Changewave prediction did not come true, and noone backtracked to explain. No comment from Carton. No comment from Huberty. And yet, people still use Changewave surveys as justification for some angle they are promoting. As far as I&#039;m concerned, citation of a Changewave survey, is a sign of lack of critical thinking, and reason to dismiss the analysis, wholesale.



Just look at the chart, the very fact that the time periods on the x-axis are not consistently spaced, should indicate problems. Additionally, if you follow their reports, you&#039;ll know that there are months were surveys have been done, but the numbers are not in the chart. In other words, the months have been cherrypicked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>One, wasn&#039;t Dan Hesse, the CEO of Sprint quoted as saying that replenishments were &#034;weekly&#034;? How does Abramsky get daily replenishments?</p>
<p>Two, as I&#039;ve pointed out before, Changewave surveys are highly unreliable. Correlation to actual results have not been shown. If you recall, last Fall, Changewave, aka Paul Carton, stated that Apple was going to have lousy sales. This caused Katie Huberty to drop her price targets on Apple, twice in one week. Of course, when Apple reported sales, the Changewave prediction did not come true, and noone backtracked to explain. No comment from Carton. No comment from Huberty. And yet, people still use Changewave surveys as justification for some angle they are promoting. As far as I&#039;m concerned, citation of a Changewave survey, is a sign of lack of critical thinking, and reason to dismiss the analysis, wholesale.</p>
<p>Just look at the chart, the very fact that the time periods on the x-axis are not consistently spaced, should indicate problems. Additionally, if you follow their reports, you&#039;ll know that there are months were surveys have been done, but the numbers are not in the chart. In other words, the months have been cherrypicked.</p>
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		<title>By: TimboM, Madison, WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimboM, Madison, WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abramsky sure has a lot of interest in the smartphone sector, now that the stock prices are close to double or more what they were when he predicted misery in January and February.



He&#039;s like a weatherman who predicts yesterday&#039;s weather.



And still gets it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abramsky sure has a lot of interest in the smartphone sector, now that the stock prices are close to double or more what they were when he predicted misery in January and February.</p>
<p>He&#039;s like a weatherman who predicts yesterday&#039;s weather.</p>
<p>And still gets it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose, Kapolei, HI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose, Kapolei, HI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike from chicago,



let&#039;s stop this pathetic argument that Pre phones are &quot;SOLD OUT&quot;. the point is they have only sold 150,000 units (in three weeks!). I&#039;m willing to bet that&#039;s how many iPhones were sold in California alone. One million phones in a 72 hr period is an amazing achievement and at this pace it&#039;s gonna take Sprint a few months to sell a million Pre phones.



it&#039;s easy to sell-out of Pre phones when Sprint stores only get like 6 units per week. That&#039;s how you CREATE demand- by cutting down on supply. It&#039;s a marketing illusion. Business 101, my friend.



I bet you Sprint would not have sold a million units in three days even if they had a million units to sell.



PED did a story on the day of the Pre launch, there were 12 people outside the Sprint Store (and they claim to have sold-out that day, again, probably because the store only had like 10 phones to sell). Apple stores have like 12 EMPLOYEES dedicated specifically to helping the hundreds of people that come in for iPhones DAILY.



Sprint has a lot of work to do, in their sales strategy and in the quality of products  they sell. Apple stores have hundreds of iPhones in stock and get daily replenishments, and they still sell them, in your words, &quot;before they can even be put on the shelf.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike from chicago,</p>
<p>let&#039;s stop this pathetic argument that Pre phones are &#034;SOLD OUT&#034;. the point is they have only sold 150,000 units (in three weeks!). I&#039;m willing to bet that&#039;s how many iPhones were sold in California alone. One million phones in a 72 hr period is an amazing achievement and at this pace it&#039;s gonna take Sprint a few months to sell a million Pre phones.</p>
<p>it&#039;s easy to sell-out of Pre phones when Sprint stores only get like 6 units per week. That&#039;s how you CREATE demand- by cutting down on supply. It&#039;s a marketing illusion. Business 101, my friend.</p>
<p>I bet you Sprint would not have sold a million units in three days even if they had a million units to sell.</p>
<p>PED did a story on the day of the Pre launch, there were 12 people outside the Sprint Store (and they claim to have sold-out that day, again, probably because the store only had like 10 phones to sell). Apple stores have like 12 EMPLOYEES dedicated specifically to helping the hundreds of people that come in for iPhones DAILY.</p>
<p>Sprint has a lot of work to do, in their sales strategy and in the quality of products  they sell. Apple stores have hundreds of iPhones in stock and get daily replenishments, and they still sell them, in your words, &#034;before they can even be put on the shelf.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Castle NY,NY</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/24/analyst-palm-has-sold-150000-pres-so-far/#comment-26382</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Castle NY,NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA?  HA .. thats a hoot - they raped us for 2mil for some code changes!



Let&#039;s take a 500 user base and compare the TCO against everything out there and RIM will come out ahead every time and still have room left over.



oh you need VPN access - you&#039;ll need to pay extra for that.



You want to disable functionality?  - we can only do a handful, does that matter?



You want to audit SMS / TXT? - sorry again seperate solution or often not possible.



Device level encryption? - Umm maybe you should stay with Blackberry. It&#039;s on our &quot;road map&quot;.



I have chats with every mobile vendor and it&#039;s been the same thing call after call.



I&#039;d LOVE to see some BES solution that meets all MY needs and is cheaper ... sadly it doesn&#039;t exsist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA?  HA .. thats a hoot &#8211; they raped us for 2mil for some code changes!</p>
<p>Let&#039;s take a 500 user base and compare the TCO against everything out there and RIM will come out ahead every time and still have room left over.</p>
<p>oh you need VPN access &#8211; you&#039;ll need to pay extra for that.</p>
<p>You want to disable functionality?  &#8211; we can only do a handful, does that matter?</p>
<p>You want to audit SMS / TXT? &#8211; sorry again seperate solution or often not possible.</p>
<p>Device level encryption? &#8211; Umm maybe you should stay with Blackberry. It&#039;s on our &#034;road map&#034;.</p>
<p>I have chats with every mobile vendor and it&#039;s been the same thing call after call.</p>
<p>I&#039;d LOVE to see some BES solution that meets all MY needs and is cheaper &#8230; sadly it doesn&#039;t exsist.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Ontario</title>
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		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Ontario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iPhone has the capability to run as internet application server with its own internet domain. As a internet domain the iPhone has its own TCPIP stack, data service happens to be only one of the stack. For voice you can use Skype for VoIP which is dirt cheap, Truphone is another alternative, or you can write your own iPhone services. With the iPhone, your knowledge is power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iPhone has the capability to run as internet application server with its own internet domain. As a internet domain the iPhone has its own TCPIP stack, data service happens to be only one of the stack. For voice you can use Skype for VoIP which is dirt cheap, Truphone is another alternative, or you can write your own iPhone services. With the iPhone, your knowledge is power.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Ontario</title>
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		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Ontario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you are not system people and it is understandable where your comments come from. Fact is, Pre is probably the best enterprise device (you can call it one side of a smartphone) in the world today. Rim will find it hard to beat Pre and its offsprings. Of course, iPhone is super for enterprise device but the direction of the iPhone is a lot more ambitious than being a super enterprise device because as small as the iPhone is today, the iPhone can grow to become an enterprise server itself, or be any role the user chooses the iPhone to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are not system people and it is understandable where your comments come from. Fact is, Pre is probably the best enterprise device (you can call it one side of a smartphone) in the world today. Rim will find it hard to beat Pre and its offsprings. Of course, iPhone is super for enterprise device but the direction of the iPhone is a lot more ambitious than being a super enterprise device because as small as the iPhone is today, the iPhone can grow to become an enterprise server itself, or be any role the user chooses the iPhone to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jathan, Redlands CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jathan, Redlands CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to say, that Apple is truly a fantastic company. They are far ahead of the game, and beat the comp hands down. Every time a company inches closer to catching up with Apple, boom, Apple upgrades their products. I enjoyed seeing the analysts expect iPhone sales of ~600-700k when Apple soars past with 1M. Tells ya people really love Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to say, that Apple is truly a fantastic company. They are far ahead of the game, and beat the comp hands down. Every time a company inches closer to catching up with Apple, boom, Apple upgrades their products. I enjoyed seeing the analysts expect iPhone sales of ~600-700k when Apple soars past with 1M. Tells ya people really love Apple.</p>
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