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		<title>By: Frank Castle NY, NY</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23310</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Castle NY, NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like your the person who can&#039;t stand using email and doesn&#039;t actively use email so to YOU email is not a workflow.  Likely your in sales and I can understand that but to anyone working in any large company. Email is how most things are done - collobrated and indeed are part of a workflow.  Sharepoint is the extension of that at the workgroup level and yes intergrates nicely with email.



RIM feed this and that is why they are the gold standard for email and almost every major company uses Blackberry. So cry all you want how email isn&#039;t relevant but it is reality my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like your the person who can&#039;t stand using email and doesn&#039;t actively use email so to YOU email is not a workflow.  Likely your in sales and I can understand that but to anyone working in any large company. Email is how most things are done &#8211; collobrated and indeed are part of a workflow.  Sharepoint is the extension of that at the workgroup level and yes intergrates nicely with email.</p>
<p>RIM feed this and that is why they are the gold standard for email and almost every major company uses Blackberry. So cry all you want how email isn&#039;t relevant but it is reality my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Ontario</title>
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		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Ontario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank.



Who had ever taught you that email is workflow? A workflow is a depiction of a sequence of operations, declared as work of a person, work of a simple or complex mechanism, work of a group of persons, work of an organization of staff, or machines. Workflow engines allow an organization to define standard and custom tasks encompassing reporting structure, escalation mechanism, and a host of facilities for automating business processes. It is exactly this RIM spawn culture of &#039;email IS business&#039; believing in using email to conduct their businesses and in doing so fall into working in a disorganized, incomplete, incoherent and dangerous workstyle. Many many made decisions from using email as the vehicle for business communication and decision making. Frank, you had demonstrated this kind of mentality very well. RIM is built on this mentality and the customers of RIM inherited this mentality, the results of this email driven mentality can be instrumental in bringing about the destruction of our ecosystem. By the way, how can you relate a mobile phone&#039;s sales figure to how well the mobile phone can help your company in doing business? I hope you are not performing any function within your company beyond being the BES support. By the way, I worked inside RIM in one of my previous jobs. I know RIM better than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank.</p>
<p>Who had ever taught you that email is workflow? A workflow is a depiction of a sequence of operations, declared as work of a person, work of a simple or complex mechanism, work of a group of persons, work of an organization of staff, or machines. Workflow engines allow an organization to define standard and custom tasks encompassing reporting structure, escalation mechanism, and a host of facilities for automating business processes. It is exactly this RIM spawn culture of &#039;email IS business&#039; believing in using email to conduct their businesses and in doing so fall into working in a disorganized, incomplete, incoherent and dangerous workstyle. Many many made decisions from using email as the vehicle for business communication and decision making. Frank, you had demonstrated this kind of mentality very well. RIM is built on this mentality and the customers of RIM inherited this mentality, the results of this email driven mentality can be instrumental in bringing about the destruction of our ecosystem. By the way, how can you relate a mobile phone&#039;s sales figure to how well the mobile phone can help your company in doing business? I hope you are not performing any function within your company beyond being the BES support. By the way, I worked inside RIM in one of my previous jobs. I know RIM better than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim, Stuttgart, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim, Stuttgart, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



Sent from my iPhone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>Sent from my iPhone</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Castle, NY NY</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23307</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Castle, NY NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James



You my friend are wrong and obviously have never support mobility or worked in enterprise for a day in your life.



e-mail IS business.  If any company stopped using email they would effectively have such a screeching stop to all workflow / effectivness it would take meetings upon meetings to figure out how to conduct business sans e-mail.  I know this as I support an exchange infrastructure for a Fortune 100 company and a 2 min outage causes half the company to wig out.



If you followed mobility you would know that workflow effiency actually increases for mobile enabled employees.  Down time is converted into being productive time.



Now your whole BES rant is just iPhone fanboy drivel.  BES is rock solid and in our case supports over 3,000 Blackberries. The only time it&#039;s down is for weekly reboots or maintenance (on the server side or a BES update). Our uptime is 99.98 which includes a host of business applications that utilize BES to extend our enterprise. Try that with an iPhone.



BES intergration with Exchange is so far ahead of what iPhone can do it&#039;s actually funny.  If I had time I&#039;d write down the full list. iPhone with Exchange ActiveSync is what Blackberry / BES was in 2006! Funny that there are now two enterprise solutions (Sybase / Good) for iPhone that will require the SAME amount of work and STILL won&#039;t equal what BES provides enterprise.



Skype is coming to Blackberry in May and guess what they recently saw the launch of Shazam and Pandora. Expect more and more apps to cross platform as mobility is larger then iPhone.



In case you missed it RIM&#039;s recent quarter saw larger then expected growth all while demand for iPhone is tanking. Part of the worls its not even selling (India, Germany) so you better PRAY the new model is really something great as right now it is Apple looking short.



BTW the best selling smartphone the past 3 months? Blackberry curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>You my friend are wrong and obviously have never support mobility or worked in enterprise for a day in your life.</p>
<p>e-mail IS business.  If any company stopped using email they would effectively have such a screeching stop to all workflow / effectivness it would take meetings upon meetings to figure out how to conduct business sans e-mail.  I know this as I support an exchange infrastructure for a Fortune 100 company and a 2 min outage causes half the company to wig out.</p>
<p>If you followed mobility you would know that workflow effiency actually increases for mobile enabled employees.  Down time is converted into being productive time.</p>
<p>Now your whole BES rant is just iPhone fanboy drivel.  BES is rock solid and in our case supports over 3,000 Blackberries. The only time it&#039;s down is for weekly reboots or maintenance (on the server side or a BES update). Our uptime is 99.98 which includes a host of business applications that utilize BES to extend our enterprise. Try that with an iPhone.</p>
<p>BES intergration with Exchange is so far ahead of what iPhone can do it&#039;s actually funny.  If I had time I&#039;d write down the full list. iPhone with Exchange ActiveSync is what Blackberry / BES was in 2006! Funny that there are now two enterprise solutions (Sybase / Good) for iPhone that will require the SAME amount of work and STILL won&#039;t equal what BES provides enterprise.</p>
<p>Skype is coming to Blackberry in May and guess what they recently saw the launch of Shazam and Pandora. Expect more and more apps to cross platform as mobility is larger then iPhone.</p>
<p>In case you missed it RIM&#039;s recent quarter saw larger then expected growth all while demand for iPhone is tanking. Part of the worls its not even selling (India, Germany) so you better PRAY the new model is really something great as right now it is Apple looking short.</p>
<p>BTW the best selling smartphone the past 3 months? Blackberry curve.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23306</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iPhone hate in the US, is this actually just proxy AT&amp;T hate?  This seems to be the bulk of the complaint and from the comments posted over at that site, this seems to be the biggest grumble.



I love my iPhone.  Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iPhone hate in the US, is this actually just proxy AT&amp;T hate?  This seems to be the bulk of the complaint and from the comments posted over at that site, this seems to be the biggest grumble.</p>
<p>I love my iPhone.  Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: steve ballmer, redmond WA</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve ballmer, redmond WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear and Loathing in Cupertino! LOL



http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear and Loathing in Cupertino! LOL</p>
<p><a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Canada</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23304</link>
		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIM Blackberries promotes the use of email for running businesses. For years Blackberries rely on email in making business decisions. Email messages are independent, incomplete, quite often incoherent for supporting business decision making. This RIM email based culture is probably the major cause for so many corporations failing due to chaotic decisions RIM users made using the RIM Blackberries. For sound business decision support and operation, business applications and datawarehouses, workflow should be used instead of email. RIM is really a email phone. For consumer mobile phones Samsung, LG, Apple, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Sharp, and many others are so much superior and lower in cost than RIM. For all those business people who suffer the Blackberries in their lives, let&#039;s all shout it out in earnest together: &#039;I HATE EMAIL&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIM Blackberries promotes the use of email for running businesses. For years Blackberries rely on email in making business decisions. Email messages are independent, incomplete, quite often incoherent for supporting business decision making. This RIM email based culture is probably the major cause for so many corporations failing due to chaotic decisions RIM users made using the RIM Blackberries. For sound business decision support and operation, business applications and datawarehouses, workflow should be used instead of email. RIM is really a email phone. For consumer mobile phones Samsung, LG, Apple, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Sharp, and many others are so much superior and lower in cost than RIM. For all those business people who suffer the Blackberries in their lives, let&#039;s all shout it out in earnest together: &#039;I HATE EMAIL&#039;</p>
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		<title>By: James, Toronto, Canada</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23303</link>
		<dc:creator>James, Toronto, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIM has the worst level of customer support in the industry. Corporates have to buy the proprietary Enterprise solution called BES from RIM which is a major cash cow for RIM. BES is very expensive, buggy, hard to learn to use, prone to crashes, very limited in functionalities, almost impossible to integrate, based on closed technologies and platform. RIM products and services are centered on BES. It would take a thick book to list all the problems and shortcomings of RIM, both in their offerings as well as being a badly designed and executed company. RIM is chaos internally, and ruthless, erratic externally. RIM is at the other extreme of Apple. Just look at how fast and furiously Apple iPhone blasts past RIM in almost all areas except the still declining business phone area in little less than 2 years, with momentum from the new 3G, iTune App store, Skype (brand new, just in, and RIM cannot run Skype today), global craving for the iPhone, the sky is the limit for Apple, whereas RIM is past the zenith, gasping its last breaths before its certain demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIM has the worst level of customer support in the industry. Corporates have to buy the proprietary Enterprise solution called BES from RIM which is a major cash cow for RIM. BES is very expensive, buggy, hard to learn to use, prone to crashes, very limited in functionalities, almost impossible to integrate, based on closed technologies and platform. RIM products and services are centered on BES. It would take a thick book to list all the problems and shortcomings of RIM, both in their offerings as well as being a badly designed and executed company. RIM is chaos internally, and ruthless, erratic externally. RIM is at the other extreme of Apple. Just look at how fast and furiously Apple iPhone blasts past RIM in almost all areas except the still declining business phone area in little less than 2 years, with momentum from the new 3G, iTune App store, Skype (brand new, just in, and RIM cannot run Skype today), global craving for the iPhone, the sky is the limit for Apple, whereas RIM is past the zenith, gasping its last breaths before its certain demise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim, Portland, Oregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim, Portland, Oregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, she likes Blackberry, is used to it, and doesn&#039;t want to waste time getting used to a different, if not better, device.  No big deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, she likes Blackberry, is used to it, and doesn&#039;t want to waste time getting used to a different, if not better, device.  No big deal!</p>
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		<title>By: celticcycle</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/04/iphone-fear-and-loathing/#comment-23301</link>
		<dc:creator>celticcycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an iPhone.  I got mine before the first generation went on sale.



I do hate it.  Here&#039;s why.



I don&#039;t play games on my phones.  I never have.  The screen is too small and the controls to tedious.  Most apps are some form of game. (I concede that it was nice to be able to read the news on my phone, before the app crashed the phone and I had to go without for two days before I could *find* an apple store to take it to for repairs.)



It gets hideously overheated when you talk on it.  When your ear breaks a sweat and the temperature is hovering around 30, your phone is too hot.



The earbuds look &quot;cool,&quot; or so I&#039;ve been told.  Yet there isn&#039;t much of a way to clean them, there are no alternatives to them, and that&#039;s a bit like shoving a dirty q-tip into your ear.  Also, after having had my phone for two years, the neat cushion (which is really there to keep the earbud from falling out), has completely deteriorated.  No, I did not buy new headphones.  I had 4 months to my contract when they started breaking down.



It likes to turn itself off after the update that allowed first generation iPhones to use the &quot;cool new apps.&quot;



Note to the world: &quot;Being able to shake your phone and see the icons wiggle is only amusing a couple of times.  Beyond that, if you&#039;re still amused, allow me to suggest the old stand-by called an Idiot Card.&quot;



So, here I am, a two year vet of the iPhone experience.  Between the technological problems, the lack of real world application beyond anything else offered, and the proprietary traits of all macs, I gave up the iPhone and bought myself a blackberry-sort.  I still have a full keyboard, I can still see a real view of web pages.  I did drop the new phone once already.  It was nice not to have a burst of adrenaline the instant I felt it slip, or the panic-striken examination of a phone saved from impact mere inches from the floor.



Keep your iPhones, they&#039;re oversold to people who aren&#039;t willing to hear anything but about how &quot;cool&quot; the phone is.  As for those who go on about the customer satisfaction rate, go read the iPhone help boards and tell me how satisfied people are trying to find their own fixes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an iPhone.  I got mine before the first generation went on sale.</p>
<p>I do hate it.  Here&#039;s why.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t play games on my phones.  I never have.  The screen is too small and the controls to tedious.  Most apps are some form of game. (I concede that it was nice to be able to read the news on my phone, before the app crashed the phone and I had to go without for two days before I could *find* an apple store to take it to for repairs.)</p>
<p>It gets hideously overheated when you talk on it.  When your ear breaks a sweat and the temperature is hovering around 30, your phone is too hot.</p>
<p>The earbuds look &#034;cool,&#034; or so I&#039;ve been told.  Yet there isn&#039;t much of a way to clean them, there are no alternatives to them, and that&#039;s a bit like shoving a dirty q-tip into your ear.  Also, after having had my phone for two years, the neat cushion (which is really there to keep the earbud from falling out), has completely deteriorated.  No, I did not buy new headphones.  I had 4 months to my contract when they started breaking down.</p>
<p>It likes to turn itself off after the update that allowed first generation iPhones to use the &#034;cool new apps.&#034;</p>
<p>Note to the world: &#034;Being able to shake your phone and see the icons wiggle is only amusing a couple of times.  Beyond that, if you&#039;re still amused, allow me to suggest the old stand-by called an Idiot Card.&#034;</p>
<p>So, here I am, a two year vet of the iPhone experience.  Between the technological problems, the lack of real world application beyond anything else offered, and the proprietary traits of all macs, I gave up the iPhone and bought myself a blackberry-sort.  I still have a full keyboard, I can still see a real view of web pages.  I did drop the new phone once already.  It was nice not to have a burst of adrenaline the instant I felt it slip, or the panic-striken examination of a phone saved from impact mere inches from the floor.</p>
<p>Keep your iPhones, they&#039;re oversold to people who aren&#039;t willing to hear anything but about how &#034;cool&#034; the phone is.  As for those who go on about the customer satisfaction rate, go read the iPhone help boards and tell me how satisfied people are trying to find their own fixes.</p>
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