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An Apple Store for Brooklyn?


brooklyn-bridgeNew Yorkers know better, especially these days, than to expect any sympathy from the rest of the country — even though the city, with three Apple Stores for a population of more than 8 million, is conspicuously underserved by the company's retail outlets. (San Francisco's three stores, by contrast, serve a population of fewer than 800,000.)

But what about Brooklyn? The most populous of the five boroughs (pop. 2.5 million) would be, as any cabbie can tell you, the fourth largest city in the United States if it weren't yoked to Manhattan, Queens and the rest. It is home to tens of thousands of Mac users of every stripe — teachers, students, writers, artists, designers, musicians, mobsters — yet it has zero Apple Stores.

Which is why Brooklynites get so excited when there is any news, as there was this week, about Apple putting an outlet in their borough.

At a real estate roundtable on Tuesday, the developer of a huge condominium project on the Brooklyn side of the East River announced that an Apple Store was a "real possibility" for one of its prime ground floor retail spaces.

"There's no deal," developer Jeff Levine told the audience, according to the website Brownstoner. "But we are talking and they are interested."

The EdgeEdge viewThe site in question is the Williamsburg Edge, a 575-apartment complex still under construction with two blue-glass towers and million-dollar views of the Manhattan skyline.

Sounds cool, huh? The problem for the rest of Brooklyn is that the Edge is on the edge of nowhere, with water on one side and Williamsburg on the other — a crazy quilt of ethnic enclaves teeming with Germans, Hasidic Jews, Italians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and, most recently, artists and indie musicians fleeing Manhattan's exorbitant rents. There is only one subway — the crowded L line — and it connects Williamsburg to Manhattan, not to the main thoroughfares of Brooklyn.

Levine's claim — true or not — reignited the fierce internecine rivalry among Brooklyn neighborhoods that broke out a year and a half ago when word first spread, via ifoAppleStore, that Apple was shopping for a Kings County location. The pros and cons of some of the contending sites were summarized at the time by a local website called Racked.

For the benefit of my neighbors and any scouts from Apple's (AAPL) retail division who might be reading this, I've excerpted Racked's handicapping and a few of the comments. But because none of this will mean anything to the rest of the world, I've put it below the fold.

From Racked 9/13/2007:

Brace yourself: Apple is scouring Brooklyn, seeking a home in the 718 area code for a flagship Brooklyn Apple Store, sources tell Racked. While Apple's urge to hawk iPhones to Brooklynites is all but a certainty, what's not known at this time is which neighborhood the computer maker is targeting for its first Brooklyn foray.

Red Hook: Sure, Ikea's coming in. And rumors have swirled about a Bed Bath and Beyond coming in on the waterfront, too—there's at least 20,000 square feet of retail space still to play with there. Still? Apple likes stores in neighborhoods with serious foot traffic, and Ikea or not, that ain't Red Hook. Odds: 25-1

Smith Street: Foot traffic, check. And plenty of little boutiques lend an air of elegance. Okay, an air of quasi-elegance. Okay, an air of fresh Dunkin' Donuts. Transfats aside, the issue here is the lack of a retail footprint big enough even for Apple to open one of its smaller factory stores. And empty development footprints are few and far between. Odds: 15-1

Dumbo: Two Trees has been looking for a tenant in the long-vacated ABC Carpet and Home warehouse space, and there's something about the Apple and Dumbo brands that just seems to go together (overly precious, check; overly branded, check; we're over both of them, check). A longshot, though one we'd sort of love to see. Odds: 10-1

Downtown Brooklyn: Hey, if it's good enough for Target, right? By far the most boring choice, but also probably the most logical. Let's move on. Odds: 4-1

Williamsburg: Can you think of a major big-box retailer with a presence in the Burg? Exactly. Which is why this has to happen. Picture the hipsters, fresh off the L Train, wandering up North 6th and into the Apple Store, firm in their decision to avoid the $40 used iPod Shuffle on Craigslist in favor of the real $99 McCoy. These are the moments of our lives. Steve, baby, make it so. Odds: 3-1, in our wildest dreams

Additions? Deletions? To the comments, please.

Comments:

  • You left out the most obvious choice. Every person in Park Slope uses a Mac. It's probably got more Apple users per capita than any neighborhood in all 5 boroughs. If they were smart, they'd open something on 7th avenue. Most foot traffic of any of the areas you mention…
  • Dumbo is the soho of Brooklyn. Williamsburg the East Village. Park Slope the upperwest side. Downtown brooklyn……um Park Avenue south….Smith street…Nolita. I say it's Smith and Atlantic.
  • The answer is clear — it will have steps leading down to a glass cube submerged in the Gowanus Canal. (link)

Disclosure: The author lives in Park Slope, Brooklyn, 41 Google Map minutes (via two subway lines and a 16 minute hike) from the Williamsburg Edge building site.

I agree 100% with the author; the EDGE is a joke for a location. So is the Kings Plaza area; it's also the middle of nowhere, no train service, and the bus trip is horrible. I can be in Manhattan and back in less time than it takes to get to Kings Plaza on the B41 bus. Borough Hall or the area near LIRR/Flatbush Ave is the best place; Borough Hall being slightly better.

Posted By SlopeMacUser Brooklyn, NY: June 3, 2009 8:45 PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Mikey's Apple Hookup already has stores in Williamsburg and DUMBO. Of course they don't have as much as full Apple stores, but they cover the basics well, including repairs.

An Apple retail store would be in an area that has plenty of foot traffic, subway access, and disposable income. I have a hard time thinking of a single Brooklyn neighborhood that satisfies those requirements that isn't around Atlantic Ave.

Posted By Robbie, Brooklyn, NY: February 21, 2009 10:15 AM

I don't think it's gonna happen…and summed up why on FREEwilliamsburg.

Posted By Brian, Brooklyn, NY: February 19, 2009 1:50 PM

i can't believe people are still saying "artists" live in Williamsburg… maybe 15 years ago… of course Apple should shove one of its ridiculous showrooms into someone's long-vacated artist loft on north whatever street… with the condo market going where it's going, they may be the only tenants at the luxurious "Edge" building

Posted By Norm, Brooklyn, NY: February 19, 2009 1:19 PM

I vote for the Junction or Kings Plaza area. Plenty of travel options and in the middle of much commerce.

Posted By Stephie Brooklyn, N.Y.: February 17, 2009 11:51 AM

Sorry guy,s but there is nothing going on in Dumbo.

It is a very noisy polluted and "hard to get there" place. the former ABC location is on a slump.

I lived in Dumbo for two years. Never and never again. It is a wannabe spot, with nothing happening.

I could not see worst location for an Apple store.

Posted By Ny Ny: February 16, 2009 11:30 AM

Gus

The on Hanson site sounds great it allows for people from Long Island access as it is right near the Brooklyn LI terminal Also near New York technical college and the downtown Brooklyn retail district

Posted By Richard, Pikesville, MD: February 15, 2009 12:45 PM

The proposed location makes no sense. the best place for Apple to open a store in Brooklyn is at the other end of the borough in Kings Plaza shopping center.

the downtown location to to easily served by the Manhattan stores.

Native New Yorker living in MD

Posted By richard, Pikesville, MD: February 15, 2009 10:28 AM

FYI: The New York Metro area has around 14 Apple stores (with ~20 million population). The San Francisco Bay Area also has around 14 stores with population 7-8 million.

Posted By Roy G. Biv SFArea: February 15, 2009 9:43 AM

Do you know the company which is organising the lease of the retail spaces?

It is greenstone realty.You know the logo of this company?

No?

Take a look at their site: http://www.greenstonerealty.com

Is this only a coincidence?

Posted By Martin,Oberhausen,germany: February 15, 2009 3:58 AM

Flatbush Junction where the new Target Store is , very heavy foot traffic near Brooklyn College, and there is a lartge space for rent former Blockbuster with 90 Cars parking. That has my vote

Posted By dave, brooklyn ny: February 14, 2009 11:25 PM

Wow!

One Hanson Place has my vote.

Posted By pk de cville: February 14, 2009 7:25 PM

obvious it's dumbo, but not the old ABC carpet space as it's already been divided up and rented out. your information is out of date elmo.

ex ped: As noted. The Racked comments are from Sept. 2007.

Posted By dig, bklyn: February 14, 2009 7:11 PM

If you look up pictures of the lobby of the ex Williamsburg Savings Bank in Brooklyn (now a condo building simply called One Hanson Place) you can see it would be an amazing retail place for an Apple store (and it is currently vacant). The marbled lobby of a late 20s bank with its breathtaking ceilings looks more like a cathedral than a bank. The problem is that it is a landmark so a retailer will be constrained as far as what they can construct. Still … an Apple store could easily be adapted to that space. It is right next to BAM (Brooklyn Academy of Music) and the Atlantic terminal where a vast array of subways stop (the N train is one stop to Canal Street in Manhattan).

I would love to see an Apple store there.

Posted By Gus, Brooklyn, NY: February 14, 2009 5:05 PM
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Steve Jobs, goes the old joke at Apple, is surrounded by a reality distortion field; get too close and you believe what he's saying. Apple has made believers out of millions of customers — and made a lot of investors rich — but Philip Elmer-DeWitt believes that an ounce of skepticism never hurts when writing about the company. He should know. He's been covering Apple – and watching Steve Jobs operate — since 1982.
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