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Apple sales data: Half empty, half full


NPD logoIt continues to amaze me that analysts who specialize in Apple (AAPL) can look at the same data and come to such different conclusions.

Case in point: Reports issued Tuesday morning by Bernstein Research's Toni Sacconaghi and Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster.  Both analysts examined the latest NPD data — released a day before Apple's fiscal Q1 earnings call  — but they didn't see the same thing.

"Sales Weak," begins the headline in the report by Sacconaghi, who has a history of bearish predictions for Apple. Based on the latest data, he is lowering his earnings and revenue estimates for both the quarter and the year.

"iPod & Mac Appear Solid," counters Munster, one of Apple's strongest supporters. Munster is sticking with his price target of $235 per share. The stock opened Tuesday at $81.97.

The NPD Group tracks retail sales for a broad range of products — including computers and MP3 players — and issues monthly reports that analysts pore over with the kind of attention Nathan Detroit lavished on parimutuel odds.

On Monday, NPD reported that December Mac sales were up slightly from a month earlier. This is how Muster reported it:

"In-Line Results A Positive Surprise. We have analyzed NPD data for all 3 months of the Dec. quarter (Oct., Nov., and Dec.) which is up 8% y/y, in line with the Street at 8% (we believe Street consensus is ~2.5m Macs in the quarter). We believe this data will be perceived as a slight positive given the rebound in the month of Dec. to +4% y/y, up from -1% y/y in the month of Nov., which some investors were using as an assumption for Dec."

Here's Sacconaghi's take:

"Mac. NPD data showed a significant deceleration in U.S. retail sales in November (1% y/y decline; see Exhibit6); desktop sales were particularly disappointing, with units down 38% y/y (in part reflecting a difficult compare). Data from Gartner and IDC suggests the market did not get any better in December."

This theme continues throughout their reports. Sacconaghi sees "significant deterioration" in iPod sales from the NPD data. Munster believes "the segment's outperformance relative to Street expectations is a positive."

Both analysts see the iPhone as a wild card, expecting international sales to offset what Munster calls "headwinds" in the U.S. market. But NPD doesn't provide data for cell phones, so the analysts were on their own.

Not surprising, their iPhone sales estimates are wildly divergent. Sacconaghi is calling for sales of 3.5 to 4 million units in the quarter that ended in December. Munster is sticking with his estimate of 6.4 million, but acknowledges that it might prove to be "aggressive."

Their estimates for Macs and iPods, on the other hand, are not so far apart.

Bottom line, for 2009 Q1:

  • Mac sales. Munster: 2.5 million to 2.6 million. Sacconaghi: 2.57 million
  • iPod sales. Munster: 18.6 million. Sacconaghi: 18.1 million
  • iPhone sales: Munster: 6.4 million. Sacconaghi: 3.5 million to 4 million

We'll learn the truth soon enough. Tune in here after the markets close on Wednesday for our live blog of Apple's Q1 conference call.

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Considering 2/3 of those independent auditors that feed news to the stock market receive wages from those Apple's competitors, it looks numbers are overflowing their desktops.

Posted By Rafael, Bristol, UK: October 20, 2009 7:30 AM

hey spinnaker,

when you say "we're pretty much obliterating PC and Linux", who's the "we"?

Does "we" own Apple? Is Apple some kind of tribal or religious group of the "we"?

most propbably, it is the latter, you naive iWorshipper.

Posted By Asher Pat, London: January 22, 2009 3:07 AM

Apple will be one of the few companies that remain prosperous in these times. Sure, sales will go down- But we're pretty much obliterating PC and Linux.

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Posted By spinnakerjksc: January 21, 2009 6:31 PM

Although Gene has dropped his price target from $250!! just over a year ago though, apparantly adding in a recession scenario to his estimates.

Posted By Dan, Seattle, WA: January 21, 2009 5:55 PM

The Microsoft propaganda machine works 24/7/365 to discredit the companies and stock values of all who are on the Microsoft Enemies List.

Posted By Buckley Krumperman Los Angeles, CA: January 20, 2009 3:35 PM

I agree with at least one other poster. It would be very interesting/valuable to have historical analysis of the accuracy of these two analysts. Of course, everyone who reads a prospectus knows that past history is no guarantee of future results, but it can indicate trends :-)

The other thing i note is a -potential- conflict between "absolute results" and "sector performance". I suspect that all computer sales are down, but that AAPL will outperform other makers, and I think that's the argument that Munster is making.

dave

Posted By David Emery, Reston VA: January 20, 2009 2:19 PM

Remember, Toni "Spaghetti" was the analyst who last spring lowered his 2008 calendar iPhone sales estimates to just over 7 million. Apple nearly achieved that number last quarter alone. He´s like a weather forecaster on television…spends most of his time telling you whjy he was wrong. How this expert(?) keeps his job is a mystery to me.

Posted By Jerry; Las Vegas, Nevada: January 20, 2009 2:14 PM

I believe Toni Sacconaghi is a woman.

Posted By R Brown, Finger Lakes, NY: January 20, 2009 2:09 PM

Please start doing columns on Google.

This is a company and stock that is EXTREMELY over-valued and is a disaster waiting to happen. If you guys put half the effort into Google that you did on Apple and causing all sorts of issues, you'd be amazed at what you would find about Google.

Posted By James, Arlington VA: January 20, 2009 1:47 PM

Thanks Philip for the balanced view. I have been scratching my head over the same schizophrenia amongst analysts!

Posted By Adrian Bashford: January 20, 2009 1:05 PM

Name calling usually comes from those who feel unsure about their own convictions in an attempt to compensate, Nick. Confidence, on the other hand, usually rises above petty words. Despite the consumer or Jobs, I feel that this stock has been drastically shorted based on the same level of hype that made it previously skyrocket, if not more. I feel good about a long position at these levels.

Posted By Bryan, Milwaukee, WI: January 20, 2009 12:49 PM

Who's the Moron? Apple has a loyal and growing "following" that will stay enthused even during tough times. I just bought 2 new Macs. Stock price of $125 by April… when the snow melts and attitudes rebound… so will the stock price. Great products, loyal / fanatic customer, lots' of cash, little or no debt = Success!

Posted By William, Milwaukee, WI.: January 20, 2009 12:44 PM

$235 price target? When would that be… 2050? The economy is a disaster. The market is convinced that Steve Jobs is Apple and it seems quite possible that Jobs will not return. I wouldn't expect this stock to be on solid footing for at least a year and that's being optimistic.

Posted By Steve, Lansing MI: January 20, 2009 12:33 PM

How can you report Munster and Sacconaghi in the same light? I also hope you guys do an ACCURATE reprisal of ALL the "analysts" who cover this company and what their estimates were vs. reality after tomorrow's announcement. Then, everybody can consider their advice in the future based on historical performances. Why would anybody consider the advice of "professionals" who are wrong by more than 50%?

Posted By spaceage, Portland, OR: January 20, 2009 12:31 PM

Hmm….trust Gene, or Toni. Toni ranted for so long that Apple would never sell 10 million iPhones in calendar 2008. And, gee, they announced that at the end of the *3rd* quarter. I'll bet the house that Gene is closer on the iPhone number.

Posted By Cranborg, Waterloo ON: January 20, 2009 12:16 PM

Notice Tony said that Apple's GROWTH is decelerating. Apple is still growing in this economy, IOW, it's just not growing as fast as it was (right after the iPhone 3G came out I suppose). Think about that for a minute. Tony, apparently, thinks that Apple should not only grow during this recession, but that it's growth should also accellerate.

Wow. How many other companies does he expect this of?

I bet Microsoft would love it if there WAS PC growth. Instead, they are losing marketshare to Apple.

Posted By Brian: January 20, 2009 12:13 PM

What do you expect from Tony? He is like a broken record. Apple usually outperforms even Munster's expectations, then guides low, and the traders short the stock again. It can only go on so long though. iPhone deferred revenue will come in handy this year…

Posted By Brian: January 20, 2009 12:08 PM

Munster has a fabulous track record. I go by what he says.

Posted By tom B, Chapel Hill, NC: January 20, 2009 12:04 PM

Moron. We won't see $100 again for a long time in this climate. Face it, you should have sold at $150+ when you had the chance.

Posted By Nick, Albuquerque NM: January 20, 2009 12:03 PM

$1.93 GAAP EPS

2.45 million Macs

6 million iPhones

18 million iPods. 8 million iPod Touches.

Share price at $100 by February 1st.

Posted By TimboM, Madison, WI: January 20, 2009 11:49 AM
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Philip Elmer-DeWitt

Philip Elmer-DeWitt
Steve Jobs, goes the old joke at Apple, is surrounded by a reality distortion field; get too close and you might believe what he's saying. Apple has made believers out of millions of customers — and made a lot of investors rich — but Elmer-DeWitt believes that an ounce of skepticism never hurts when writing about the company. He should know. He's been covering Apple – and watching Steve Jobs operate — since 1982.
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