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	<title>Comments on: Apple&#039;s scary Form 10-K</title>
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		<title>By: Tom, St. Louis</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/11/05/apples-scary-form-10-k/#comment-16003</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom, St. Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaahhh Protectionism, heart-warming.  How many more want to comment how a 10k commentary is not worth publication by a financial periodical?  Hey Chairman Cox stop wasting investors money by forcing companies to prepare meaningless reports.  Of course a 10k is a worst case scenario, but it also was an Oracle of Delphi.(I feel so smart after coming up with that one!)  Fools with blinders on should get side swiped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaahhh Protectionism, heart-warming.  How many more want to comment how a 10k commentary is not worth publication by a financial periodical?  Hey Chairman Cox stop wasting investors money by forcing companies to prepare meaningless reports.  Of course a 10k is a worst case scenario, but it also was an Oracle of Delphi.(I feel so smart after coming up with that one!)  Fools with blinders on should get side swiped.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris: Warren, NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris: Warren, NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan is on the right track.



They forgot to include the effects of manipulation by so-called analysts and bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan is on the right track.</p>
<p>They forgot to include the effects of manipulation by so-called analysts and bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: KenC, Gardiner, Maine</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/11/05/apples-scary-form-10-k/#comment-16001</link>
		<dc:creator>KenC, Gardiner, Maine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s your standard legal boilerplate...</description>
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		<title>By: Doug from Allentown, PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug from Allentown, PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touchy people these AAPL minions are.



Unless you intend to hold the stock for a few years, I would sell it now and pocket the tidy sum.  Not even AAPL is imune to a global recession.  As the matter of fact, they are a premium brand and may be more adversely affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touchy people these AAPL minions are.</p>
<p>Unless you intend to hold the stock for a few years, I would sell it now and pocket the tidy sum.  Not even AAPL is imune to a global recession.  As the matter of fact, they are a premium brand and may be more adversely affected.</p>
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		<title>By: Moka, Kalani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moka, Kalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The potential risk portion of 10-k statements are supposed to be as much doom and gloom as the company can think of.  Its purpose is to a) give as much notice to investors as possible and b) to avoid or defend against securities litigation.  No company ever actually believes everything that can go wrong will go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The potential risk portion of 10-k statements are supposed to be as much doom and gloom as the company can think of.  Its purpose is to a) give as much notice to investors as possible and b) to avoid or defend against securities litigation.  No company ever actually believes everything that can go wrong will go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: michiganjake, holland, michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>michiganjake, holland, michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So bad, so sad, how on earth would anyone think of actually giving this collection of drivel space.</description>
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		<title>By: iJah420 Traverse city, MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>iJah420 Traverse city, MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think Apple&#039;s outlook is grim?

feast your reader eyes on this...





Keep an eye on Big Blue&#039;s red line

Investor Daily: IBM&#039;s financial loans to customers have made it the undisputed king of business software. But beware: The credit crisis has turned that strategy into risky business.

SAN FRANCISCO (Fortune) -- Debt has always been a four-letter word, but has become an especially dirty one during this credit crunch. These days, folks with plenty of cash and no debt are cast as paragons of fiscal virtue, while those that ran up credit card bills are not.

But consumers aren&#039;t the only ones who relied on debt during the good times. Companies did, too. And now that the global economy is in turmoil, companies of all sizes are struggling to manage obligations that didn&#039;t seem to be a problem before.

Which brings us to technology bellwether IBM Should we be at all mindful of IBM&#039;s $34 billion in debt? (That&#039;s right, billion. With a B.)

The answer: Yes - but not for the reasons you might think. Most of the debt on IBM&#039;s books is money it lent to its customers to help them buy its products. While Big Blue looks well positioned to ride out a financial crisis, we should watch whether its customers are able to pay back money they borrowed. If they get into real trouble, it could drag on IBM&#039;s earnings and provide an early sign of a tech meltdown.

Normally we don&#039;t think of tech companies as borrowers. Microsoft (and Apple are typical - they&#039;re well known for generating lots of cash and not carrying any debt. IBM, however, has a different strategy for managing its books. It has long borrowed money to help customers buy its products, and it recently borrowed to buy its own stock as well.

How has the debt strategy worked for IBM? The results speak for themselves: Not only is IBM the undisputed king of business software and services, it has used its strength to build a cash generation machine that helps it buy smaller companies and easily pay its bills.

Lately, though, the financial crisis is exposing a couple of potential downsides to IBM&#039;s debt. First, a small but growing number of IBM&#039;s customers can&#039;t pay back their loans, which leaves IBM holding the bill and could cause a drag on the company&#039;s earnings. Second, borrowing money to buy back its own shares at last year&#039;s higher prices may have been a sensible move, but IBM will still have to repay the debt with today&#039;s harder-won profits.

Analysts still express confidence in the company. Louis Miscioscia, an analyst with Cowen and Company, recently called IBM stock &quot;a great place to hide in this turbulent time.&quot;

IBM says it&#039;s comfortable with its debt strategy. Jesse Greene Jr., IBM&#039;s vice president of financial management, pointed out that the company has used its cash to buy back shares for more than ten years, and only borrowed money to do it last year to take advantage of a tax loophole. (Experts have pegged IBM&#039;s tax savings at $1.6 billion.) On the financing front, some customers who borrowed money to buy IBM products are unable to pay their bills, but that&#039;s to be expected in a recession, he said. &quot;We just have to man and keep our provision for doubtful accounts at high levels,&quot; Greene said.

Take a closer look, and there is indeed some cause for concern. The bulk of IBM&#039;s debt - about $24.5 billion of it - is from its financing arm. This works a little like the store credit cards from Macy&#039;s  or Banana Republic, except instead of buying bedroom furniture or sweaters, businesses are buying servers and database software. IBM isn&#039;t alone in using financing to fuel its business; Hewlett-Packard&#039;s financing arm has $9 billion in loans outstanding, for example, and Oracle finances 15 percent of its sales. But IBM&#039;s in-house financing operation is probably the largest in the tech industry, and it&#039;s not yet clear how the company&#039;s customers will fare in a downturn.

&quot;Maybe these newer customers in emerging markets might not be able to sustain the costs as well as IBM had thought, so that&#039;s a risk,&quot; says Tom Smith, equity analyst at Standard &amp; Poor&#039;s.

There are signs of turbulence. In the quarter that ended September 30, when the financial crisis had barely begun, IBM set aside $128 million to cover debts that it expects its customers won&#039;t be able to pay. While that&#039;s pocket change for IBM, it&#039;s also more than the company has added to its debt reserve in the previous two years combined - and things could very well get tougher during the next few quarters.

IBM doesn&#039;t sound concerned; its financing customers are an especially creditworthy bunch, and most of them are in the U.S. and Europe. &quot;The exposure to the emerging markets in the financing business is not as great as you might think,&quot; Greene said.

We&#039;ll just have to see whether the downturn gets bad enough to really hurt technology sales. If it does, one of the first places we&#039;ll see evidence is in IBM&#039;s credit statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think Apple&#039;s outlook is grim?</p>
<p>feast your reader eyes on this&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep an eye on Big Blue&#039;s red line</p>
<p>Investor Daily: IBM&#039;s financial loans to customers have made it the undisputed king of business software. But beware: The credit crisis has turned that strategy into risky business.</p>
<p>SAN FRANCISCO (Fortune) &#8212; Debt has always been a four-letter word, but has become an especially dirty one during this credit crunch. These days, folks with plenty of cash and no debt are cast as paragons of fiscal virtue, while those that ran up credit card bills are not.</p>
<p>But consumers aren&#039;t the only ones who relied on debt during the good times. Companies did, too. And now that the global economy is in turmoil, companies of all sizes are struggling to manage obligations that didn&#039;t seem to be a problem before.</p>
<p>Which brings us to technology bellwether IBM Should we be at all mindful of IBM&#039;s $34 billion in debt? (That&#039;s right, billion. With a B.)</p>
<p>The answer: Yes &#8211; but not for the reasons you might think. Most of the debt on IBM&#039;s books is money it lent to its customers to help them buy its products. While Big Blue looks well positioned to ride out a financial crisis, we should watch whether its customers are able to pay back money they borrowed. If they get into real trouble, it could drag on IBM&#039;s earnings and provide an early sign of a tech meltdown.</p>
<p>Normally we don&#039;t think of tech companies as borrowers. Microsoft (and Apple are typical &#8211; they&#039;re well known for generating lots of cash and not carrying any debt. IBM, however, has a different strategy for managing its books. It has long borrowed money to help customers buy its products, and it recently borrowed to buy its own stock as well.</p>
<p>How has the debt strategy worked for IBM? The results speak for themselves: Not only is IBM the undisputed king of business software and services, it has used its strength to build a cash generation machine that helps it buy smaller companies and easily pay its bills.</p>
<p>Lately, though, the financial crisis is exposing a couple of potential downsides to IBM&#039;s debt. First, a small but growing number of IBM&#039;s customers can&#039;t pay back their loans, which leaves IBM holding the bill and could cause a drag on the company&#039;s earnings. Second, borrowing money to buy back its own shares at last year&#039;s higher prices may have been a sensible move, but IBM will still have to repay the debt with today&#039;s harder-won profits.</p>
<p>Analysts still express confidence in the company. Louis Miscioscia, an analyst with Cowen and Company, recently called IBM stock &#034;a great place to hide in this turbulent time.&#034;</p>
<p>IBM says it&#039;s comfortable with its debt strategy. Jesse Greene Jr., IBM&#039;s vice president of financial management, pointed out that the company has used its cash to buy back shares for more than ten years, and only borrowed money to do it last year to take advantage of a tax loophole. (Experts have pegged IBM&#039;s tax savings at $1.6 billion.) On the financing front, some customers who borrowed money to buy IBM products are unable to pay their bills, but that&#039;s to be expected in a recession, he said. &#034;We just have to man and keep our provision for doubtful accounts at high levels,&#034; Greene said.</p>
<p>Take a closer look, and there is indeed some cause for concern. The bulk of IBM&#039;s debt &#8211; about $24.5 billion of it &#8211; is from its financing arm. This works a little like the store credit cards from Macy&#039;s  or Banana Republic, except instead of buying bedroom furniture or sweaters, businesses are buying servers and database software. IBM isn&#039;t alone in using financing to fuel its business; Hewlett-Packard&#039;s financing arm has $9 billion in loans outstanding, for example, and Oracle finances 15 percent of its sales. But IBM&#039;s in-house financing operation is probably the largest in the tech industry, and it&#039;s not yet clear how the company&#039;s customers will fare in a downturn.</p>
<p>&#034;Maybe these newer customers in emerging markets might not be able to sustain the costs as well as IBM had thought, so that&#039;s a risk,&#034; says Tom Smith, equity analyst at Standard &amp; Poor&#039;s.</p>
<p>There are signs of turbulence. In the quarter that ended September 30, when the financial crisis had barely begun, IBM set aside $128 million to cover debts that it expects its customers won&#039;t be able to pay. While that&#039;s pocket change for IBM, it&#039;s also more than the company has added to its debt reserve in the previous two years combined &#8211; and things could very well get tougher during the next few quarters.</p>
<p>IBM doesn&#039;t sound concerned; its financing customers are an especially creditworthy bunch, and most of them are in the U.S. and Europe. &#034;The exposure to the emerging markets in the financing business is not as great as you might think,&#034; Greene said.</p>
<p>We&#039;ll just have to see whether the downturn gets bad enough to really hurt technology sales. If it does, one of the first places we&#039;ll see evidence is in IBM&#039;s credit statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry, Winnipeg, Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry, Winnipeg, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every 10K has risk statements like this.  What is the story here?  Get serious - Fortune of all publishers should know better than to push out meaningless drivel like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every 10K has risk statements like this.  What is the story here?  Get serious &#8211; Fortune of all publishers should know better than to push out meaningless drivel like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard M. Princeton, NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard M. Princeton, NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tremendous coverage Elmer. I&#039;m assuming you&#039;ve read the risk section of other 10-K&#039;s before. Here I was focusing on the financials instead of the Risk Factors. What was I thinking??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tremendous coverage Elmer. I&#039;m assuming you&#039;ve read the risk section of other 10-K&#039;s before. Here I was focusing on the financials instead of the Risk Factors. What was I thinking??</p>
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		<title>By: Nunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the LHC causing superstrings to unravel would be exactly a *natural* disaster...</description>
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