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	<title>Comments on: Apple Q4 earnings smackdown</title>
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		<title>By: iphonerulez, Nimbo City, CA</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/10/19/apple-q4-earnings-smackdown/#comment-15548</link>
		<dc:creator>iphonerulez, Nimbo City, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple has no control over it&#039;s stock price.  All Apple can do is run a good business, make products that satisfy customers, keep their cash reserve high and continue to grow market share.



If long-term investors understood this, it should be more than enough to keep them satisfied.  Still, as a long-term investor, I never expected to own a stock that could be so volatile due to media rumors and speculation.  Nor did I expect that a company could set up an accounting practice that few analysts or WS understood.  That seem ridiculous to me unless this is just fanboy BS.  I&#039;m going to ignore most of this for now and just wait until the stock market and the economy in general returns to how it was the last few years.



Anyway, what difference does it make that these couple of analysts see Apple the way they think it should be seen.  Their opinions or numbers doesn&#039;t change anything for Apple or it&#039;s stock price.  As was mentioned, pumping up the numbers or guidance doesn&#039;t help investors who invest and end up being disappointed because the high numbers don&#039;t relate to share price gains.



The way some people talk about Apple being the greatest company going on WS, being better than X or Y company,  and being recession proof, yet it doesn&#039;t translate into anything special for an Apple investor for the short term.   So it&#039;s somewhat difficult to rationalize even being an Apple investor to make quick, easy money regardless of how great the company is.



Maybe we should just be satisfied that Apple isn&#039;t going out of business any time soon and hopefully a year from now we might actually see Apple reach $200 a share once more.  Just don&#039;t set your expectations to Gene Munster&#039;s lofty ramblings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has no control over it&#039;s stock price.  All Apple can do is run a good business, make products that satisfy customers, keep their cash reserve high and continue to grow market share.</p>
<p>If long-term investors understood this, it should be more than enough to keep them satisfied.  Still, as a long-term investor, I never expected to own a stock that could be so volatile due to media rumors and speculation.  Nor did I expect that a company could set up an accounting practice that few analysts or WS understood.  That seem ridiculous to me unless this is just fanboy BS.  I&#039;m going to ignore most of this for now and just wait until the stock market and the economy in general returns to how it was the last few years.</p>
<p>Anyway, what difference does it make that these couple of analysts see Apple the way they think it should be seen.  Their opinions or numbers doesn&#039;t change anything for Apple or it&#039;s stock price.  As was mentioned, pumping up the numbers or guidance doesn&#039;t help investors who invest and end up being disappointed because the high numbers don&#039;t relate to share price gains.</p>
<p>The way some people talk about Apple being the greatest company going on WS, being better than X or Y company,  and being recession proof, yet it doesn&#039;t translate into anything special for an Apple investor for the short term.   So it&#039;s somewhat difficult to rationalize even being an Apple investor to make quick, easy money regardless of how great the company is.</p>
<p>Maybe we should just be satisfied that Apple isn&#039;t going out of business any time soon and hopefully a year from now we might actually see Apple reach $200 a share once more.  Just don&#039;t set your expectations to Gene Munster&#039;s lofty ramblings.</p>
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		<title>By: Nodack Phpenix AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nodack Phpenix AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought at $22.50 a share several years ago and caught the split. I finally got scared and sold at $89 only to have it go up big the moment I sold. I love Apple and I&#039;m counting on that conservative guidence to sink the stock enough to buy in again. I know the actual numbers won&#039;t have any effect on the stock price unless they are dismal which they never are.



For once I need one of those made up rumors to kick in, say tomorrow. I don&#039;t like the health rumors so let&#039;s go with one where Steve Jobs quits Apple and works for Microsoft instead. That would shake up the stock enough to buy in again. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought at $22.50 a share several years ago and caught the split. I finally got scared and sold at $89 only to have it go up big the moment I sold. I love Apple and I&#039;m counting on that conservative guidence to sink the stock enough to buy in again. I know the actual numbers won&#039;t have any effect on the stock price unless they are dismal which they never are.</p>
<p>For once I need one of those made up rumors to kick in, say tomorrow. I don&#039;t like the health rumors so let&#039;s go with one where Steve Jobs quits Apple and works for Microsoft instead. That would shake up the stock enough to buy in again. .</p>
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		<title>By: Mark, Costa Mesa, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark, Costa Mesa, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, in an otherwise deserted mall, the Apple store is always buzzing with activity. Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in an otherwise deserted mall, the Apple store is always buzzing with activity. Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: pete, st. pete, fl</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/10/19/apple-q4-earnings-smackdown/#comment-15545</link>
		<dc:creator>pete, st. pete, fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually thought the &#039;smackdown&#039; referred to the inevitable,  unwarranted beating that Apple stock takes after earnings, until I read the article...



My misinterpretation makes more sense and is something, unfortunately, you can rely upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually thought the &#039;smackdown&#039; referred to the inevitable,  unwarranted beating that Apple stock takes after earnings, until I read the article&#8230;</p>
<p>My misinterpretation makes more sense and is something, unfortunately, you can rely upon.</p>
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		<title>By: ed, boston, ma</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed, boston, ma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the guidance is stellar, some sleezeball hedgefund would resuscitate the &#039;Jobs is Dead&#039; rumor and guys like you will run it, thus tanking the stock yet again.



Can&#039;t win...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the guidance is stellar, some sleezeball hedgefund would resuscitate the &#039;Jobs is Dead&#039; rumor and guys like you will run it, thus tanking the stock yet again.</p>
<p>Can&#039;t win&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jmmx, Portland, OR</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmmx, Portland, OR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kevin



Howdy neighbor.



The reason for conservative guidance is that people would get really pissed if they did NOT meet guidance, and the law suits would fly.



And - as we enter the Great Republican Recession - there is so much uncertainty that they go closer to worst case than to best case scenarios.



Then the analysts also want to be under because they do not want to disappoint people either. If someone buys on your estimates they will be happy if the company exceeds, but really upset if the company is under. This is the game. It seems to me that Munster is the only one willing to go out on a limb with a real estimate.

IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kevin</p>
<p>Howdy neighbor.</p>
<p>The reason for conservative guidance is that people would get really pissed if they did NOT meet guidance, and the law suits would fly.</p>
<p>And &#8211; as we enter the Great Republican Recession &#8211; there is so much uncertainty that they go closer to worst case than to best case scenarios.</p>
<p>Then the analysts also want to be under because they do not want to disappoint people either. If someone buys on your estimates they will be happy if the company exceeds, but really upset if the company is under. This is the game. It seems to me that Munster is the only one willing to go out on a limb with a real estimate.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin, Portland, OR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin, Portland, OR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comments that the way Steve often plays with the press (by always giving conservative guidance) help those who short than who long on AAPL. But I wonder who would sell on the news when AAPL is this low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comments that the way Steve often plays with the press (by always giving conservative guidance) help those who short than who long on AAPL. But I wonder who would sell on the news when AAPL is this low.</p>
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		<title>By: charanischiuHK</title>
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		<dc:creator>charanischiuHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always say why just let all those great analysis to whom they make all great prediction to take up Apple CEO Steve Jobs position to run the company, and allow them to experience how easy they thought to achieve all their what so call predictions/expectation or upgrade and downgrade, so that they know the actual different production process as demonstrate by Apple how to run the business, instead of sitting inside the office everyday, using the financial formulas from calculator to find out all the answers? Which lead the recent financial crises?

We have a word of saying if anyone know something just only three days ahead of time, he will be the riches guy on the planet. No need to predict what will the market condition be one or two months later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always say why just let all those great analysis to whom they make all great prediction to take up Apple CEO Steve Jobs position to run the company, and allow them to experience how easy they thought to achieve all their what so call predictions/expectation or upgrade and downgrade, so that they know the actual different production process as demonstrate by Apple how to run the business, instead of sitting inside the office everyday, using the financial formulas from calculator to find out all the answers? Which lead the recent financial crises?</p>
<p>We have a word of saying if anyone know something just only three days ahead of time, he will be the riches guy on the planet. No need to predict what will the market condition be one or two months later.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter  Middletown,New York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter  Middletown,New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment! The Apple store at the Palisades Mall in Nanuet, NY had over 125 people in it yesterday at 5 pm.  A sales person told me that that number held all day long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment! The Apple store at the Palisades Mall in Nanuet, NY had over 125 people in it yesterday at 5 pm.  A sales person told me that that number held all day long.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom, Dunedin FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom, Dunedin FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, I&#039;m just not happy with labeling Zaky and others as &quot;amateurs&quot;. Isn&#039;t it better to just say unpaid analysts vs paid analysts? Put the emphasis on quality regardless of the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I&#039;m just not happy with labeling Zaky and others as &#034;amateurs&#034;. Isn&#039;t it better to just say unpaid analysts vs paid analysts? Put the emphasis on quality regardless of the source.</p>
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