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	<title>Comments on: iPhones in Switzerland, Spain, Poland and beyond</title>
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		<title>By: cynik, zurich, switzerland</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/08/iphones-in-switzerland-spain-poland-and-beyond/#comment-11008</link>
		<dc:creator>cynik, zurich, switzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is with the celestial co-incidence of a pixar film release date and the new iPhone? Why is it so?



Surely apple is not simply saving fees on airtime by buying bulk?



My best guess would be that some creepy suit at Apple figured out that there is a statistically higher percentage of movie fans, who like animation, who will be likely to buy an apple gadget. It is probably worth an extra few million in sales to sync them together.



Or a professional publicist knows that when lots of news is concentrated together, it goes further in the editorial sections of the press.



Whatever, isn&#039;t the free market grand? You get to choose what the crazy boffins calculate that you are most likely to choose, had you had a choice. And if you don&#039;t like that logic, consider I still can&#039;t buy a freaking iPhone in Switzerland. After fifteen years or something. Free market yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is with the celestial co-incidence of a pixar film release date and the new iPhone? Why is it so?</p>
<p>Surely apple is not simply saving fees on airtime by buying bulk?</p>
<p>My best guess would be that some creepy suit at Apple figured out that there is a statistically higher percentage of movie fans, who like animation, who will be likely to buy an apple gadget. It is probably worth an extra few million in sales to sync them together.</p>
<p>Or a professional publicist knows that when lots of news is concentrated together, it goes further in the editorial sections of the press.</p>
<p>Whatever, isn&#039;t the free market grand? You get to choose what the crazy boffins calculate that you are most likely to choose, had you had a choice. And if you don&#039;t like that logic, consider I still can&#039;t buy a freaking iPhone in Switzerland. After fifteen years or something. Free market yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It suddenly hit me.  The 3G will arrive on June 27!  Bet you anything.



iPhone came out last June 29, so did Pixar&#039;s Rattatatoui.



Guess what?  Wall-E arrives June 27!&#039;



Duh!



Larry Fritzlan

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It suddenly hit me.  The 3G will arrive on June 27!  Bet you anything.</p>
<p>iPhone came out last June 29, so did Pixar&#039;s Rattatatoui.</p>
<p>Guess what?  Wall-E arrives June 27!&#039;</p>
<p>Duh!</p>
<p>Larry Fritzlan</p>
<p>Mill Valley</p>
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		<title>By: Raimundo Salas, Madrid</title>
		<link>http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/08/iphones-in-switzerland-spain-poland-and-beyond/#comment-11006</link>
		<dc:creator>Raimundo Salas, Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iphone with Movistar (Telefonica), was confirmed:

http://e-global.es/b2b-blog/2008/05/08/iphone-con-movistar-confirmado/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iphone with Movistar (Telefonica), was confirmed:</p>
<p><a href="http://e-global.es/b2b-blog/2008/05/08/iphone-con-movistar-confirmado/" rel="nofollow">http://e-global.es/b2b-blog/2008/05/08/iphone-con-movistar-confirmado/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jbelkin - danville, ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbelkin - danville, ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone who wants an iphone has one?&quot; bwahahahaha.



So when Apple sells 20 million iphones next year, will you go home quietly and realize the WIN &amp; MS are dead?



Yes, WIN &amp; MS have a place when you are buying a subsidized phone at $29 or $59 but just Vista on a $399 PC, no one wants MS at any higher price point, it&#039;s the &quot;free OS&quot; and nothing more.



Meanwhile, people will purposely fly to America just to buy an iPhone at FULL PRICE . Apple makes money whether you unlock it or not - the rest is a BONUS because ...



How many other phone manufacturers get any add&#039;l revenue?



hat&#039;s that? ZERO?



Just think how loud a laugh you will hear is MS walks up to Vodafone and asks for a cut of the revenue - MS &amp; WIn - the laughing stock of technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Everyone who wants an iphone has one?&#034; bwahahahaha.</p>
<p>So when Apple sells 20 million iphones next year, will you go home quietly and realize the WIN &amp; MS are dead?</p>
<p>Yes, WIN &amp; MS have a place when you are buying a subsidized phone at $29 or $59 but just Vista on a $399 PC, no one wants MS at any higher price point, it&#039;s the &#034;free OS&#034; and nothing more.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, people will purposely fly to America just to buy an iPhone at FULL PRICE . Apple makes money whether you unlock it or not &#8211; the rest is a BONUS because &#8230;</p>
<p>How many other phone manufacturers get any add&#039;l revenue?</p>
<p>hat&#039;s that? ZERO?</p>
<p>Just think how loud a laugh you will hear is MS walks up to Vodafone and asks for a cut of the revenue &#8211; MS &amp; WIn &#8211; the laughing stock of technology.</p>
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		<title>By: macdisser,bronx,new york</title>
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		<dc:creator>macdisser,bronx,new york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ridiculous. So what if Apple is making deals to sell Iphones in countries that I and many others have been ebay selling unlocked iphones to for years. Just about who wants an Iphone has one. And I said before elsewhere two better smartphones are coming soon, with more to come, all running windows mobiele 6.1. We don&#039;t get? No! You itards don&#039;t get it. It&#039;s the software stupid. Why would I want a lockdown proprietary mediocre smartphone when I can choose better cheaper smartphones for less that i can use with my existing wireless account. People the Apple revolution is all in your heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous. So what if Apple is making deals to sell Iphones in countries that I and many others have been ebay selling unlocked iphones to for years. Just about who wants an Iphone has one. And I said before elsewhere two better smartphones are coming soon, with more to come, all running windows mobiele 6.1. We don&#039;t get? No! You itards don&#039;t get it. It&#039;s the software stupid. Why would I want a lockdown proprietary mediocre smartphone when I can choose better cheaper smartphones for less that i can use with my existing wireless account. People the Apple revolution is all in your heads.</p>
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		<title>By: cynik, zurich, switzerland</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynik, zurich, switzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The pieces are falling into place&quot;?



You reckon? It has taken this mega firm over a year to NOT sell me a freaking phone. I really wanted one, but couldn&#039;t have it. Now I am supposed to be happy because it is 3G?



No way. Apple lost me on the iPhone. Too many lawyers, too many exclusive deals. Too many decisions that have nothing to do with selling me the kit I want NOW, and everything to do with what some Ivy league loser in suit thinks is the clever way forward.



I am sticking with my macbook and 7 dollar nokia until unlimited broadband is available for a cheap price, everywhere. There is no way I am playing these games to subsidise telco shareholders and the clever dicks at Apple who think they are more than just a company who sells stuff to folks who want it.



The restriction of broadband is a form of tax farming for telco&#039;s. That is, the government allow them to price it like hell because they are collecting massive license fees. So that is tax farming to an elite class, but regardless it has nothing to do with Apple.



Or, it didn&#039;t. Not when apple made stuff, instead of clever deals.



Apple should force the issue of publicly available wi fi as an educational issue, or at least stay away from involvement in a crooked game that is bad for the people.



And make no mistake, it is certainly bad to possess the technology that would allow everyone free communication, everywhere, and to restrict that communication so that profit and tax can be collected by a few.



It is called tax farming for a reason. Here we have the technology for freedom of expression, and we end up paying top dollar for everything we say to each other. That is being farmed. Jobs should stay out of that racket, if he is truthful about his ethical business credentials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;The pieces are falling into place&#034;?</p>
<p>You reckon? It has taken this mega firm over a year to NOT sell me a freaking phone. I really wanted one, but couldn&#039;t have it. Now I am supposed to be happy because it is 3G?</p>
<p>No way. Apple lost me on the iPhone. Too many lawyers, too many exclusive deals. Too many decisions that have nothing to do with selling me the kit I want NOW, and everything to do with what some Ivy league loser in suit thinks is the clever way forward.</p>
<p>I am sticking with my macbook and 7 dollar nokia until unlimited broadband is available for a cheap price, everywhere. There is no way I am playing these games to subsidise telco shareholders and the clever dicks at Apple who think they are more than just a company who sells stuff to folks who want it.</p>
<p>The restriction of broadband is a form of tax farming for telco&#039;s. That is, the government allow them to price it like hell because they are collecting massive license fees. So that is tax farming to an elite class, but regardless it has nothing to do with Apple.</p>
<p>Or, it didn&#039;t. Not when apple made stuff, instead of clever deals.</p>
<p>Apple should force the issue of publicly available wi fi as an educational issue, or at least stay away from involvement in a crooked game that is bad for the people.</p>
<p>And make no mistake, it is certainly bad to possess the technology that would allow everyone free communication, everywhere, and to restrict that communication so that profit and tax can be collected by a few.</p>
<p>It is called tax farming for a reason. Here we have the technology for freedom of expression, and we end up paying top dollar for everything we say to each other. That is being farmed. Jobs should stay out of that racket, if he is truthful about his ethical business credentials.</p>
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		<title>By: XamaX, Lisboa, Portugal, Europe</title>
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		<dc:creator>XamaX, Lisboa, Portugal, Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple x2 is the end result of all this!



Just this week Apple has added 1 billion new subscribers in marketplace terms (countries) and 350 million in client terms (subscribers of iPhone carriers).



And that is only the firm deals, not the rumors.



And that is not counting with the logical deals such as Telefonica getting the iPhone to Spain and to Vivo in Brazil ( Latin America. That&#039;s another 300 million subscribers.



Even in my country there&#039;s a very high probability all 3 operators will get the iPhone and I will not be surprised to see it sold through the Apple online store unlocked for a premium.



What Apple is silently doing is giving the people what they want - and they seem to want it more than they want bread! IMHO they&#039;re going for a double iPhone strategy where they sell it unlocked through Apple reseller chain and locked subsidised through the carriers.



There will be so much hype going around because of the iPhone that it will start making Apple a global brand name - it is just US right now - and start bringing in more Mac sales.



What people and analysts haven&#039;t figured out yet is that in a household there are plenty more phones than there are computers. And these are handheld computers. So IMHO, the potential for the iTouch line of handheld computers/phones is immense.



And I predict here and now that the iTouch business will soon grow to be as big as the Mac business making Apple x2 a reality in the short term



Notwithstanding, in a few years time it will easily turn it into Apple x3  because there&#039;s the potential for the iTouch to be at least twice as big as the Mac business.



Speculation, rumors, guessing, predicting. Reality in creation?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple x2 is the end result of all this!</p>
<p>Just this week Apple has added 1 billion new subscribers in marketplace terms (countries) and 350 million in client terms (subscribers of iPhone carriers).</p>
<p>And that is only the firm deals, not the rumors.</p>
<p>And that is not counting with the logical deals such as Telefonica getting the iPhone to Spain and to Vivo in Brazil ( Latin America. That&#039;s another 300 million subscribers.</p>
<p>Even in my country there&#039;s a very high probability all 3 operators will get the iPhone and I will not be surprised to see it sold through the Apple online store unlocked for a premium.</p>
<p>What Apple is silently doing is giving the people what they want &#8211; and they seem to want it more than they want bread! IMHO they&#039;re going for a double iPhone strategy where they sell it unlocked through Apple reseller chain and locked subsidised through the carriers.</p>
<p>There will be so much hype going around because of the iPhone that it will start making Apple a global brand name &#8211; it is just US right now &#8211; and start bringing in more Mac sales.</p>
<p>What people and analysts haven&#039;t figured out yet is that in a household there are plenty more phones than there are computers. And these are handheld computers. So IMHO, the potential for the iTouch line of handheld computers/phones is immense.</p>
<p>And I predict here and now that the iTouch business will soon grow to be as big as the Mac business making Apple x2 a reality in the short term</p>
<p>Notwithstanding, in a few years time it will easily turn it into Apple x3  because there&#039;s the potential for the iTouch to be at least twice as big as the Mac business.</p>
<p>Speculation, rumors, guessing, predicting. Reality in creation?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike, San Diego, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike, San Diego, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be wrong to say Apple doesn&#039;t get revenue sharing if the deal is a non-exclusive one. Maybe it doesn&#039;t get as much revenue sharing, but I&#039;m sure it still gets a cut in the revenue like Blackberry does even though it sells its phones to competing carriers.



I would get some confirmation of non-revenue sharing before posting it as fact.



In any case, Apple is counting on volume to make up tthe difference, and all those sales in new places can&#039;t hurt mac sales, especially in countries with little mac penetration thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be wrong to say Apple doesn&#039;t get revenue sharing if the deal is a non-exclusive one. Maybe it doesn&#039;t get as much revenue sharing, but I&#039;m sure it still gets a cut in the revenue like Blackberry does even though it sells its phones to competing carriers.</p>
<p>I would get some confirmation of non-revenue sharing before posting it as fact.</p>
<p>In any case, Apple is counting on volume to make up tthe difference, and all those sales in new places can&#039;t hurt mac sales, especially in countries with little mac penetration thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: AAPLpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>AAPLpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Gene the only analyst who gets it?  Maybe the only one who has ever bothered to leave his expansive cubicle and actually visit an AAPL store to personally witness the revolution.  The iPhone impact this summer is being grossly underestimated - I said when AAPL was in the 120s that it would hit 250 by September.  Almost 1/2 way there.  It won&#039;t be straight up, but it&#039;s going there.  Enjoy the ride.  And be a good friend...take someone you love to an AAPL store, so they can spend their money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Gene the only analyst who gets it?  Maybe the only one who has ever bothered to leave his expansive cubicle and actually visit an AAPL store to personally witness the revolution.  The iPhone impact this summer is being grossly underestimated &#8211; I said when AAPL was in the 120s that it would hit 250 by September.  Almost 1/2 way there.  It won&#039;t be straight up, but it&#039;s going there.  Enjoy the ride.  And be a good friend&#8230;take someone you love to an AAPL store, so they can spend their money!</p>
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		<title>By: l ny</title>
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		<dc:creator>l ny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 11:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the pieces are falling into place.... Apple&#039;s going to grow to epic proportions, the halo effect will spread all over the world as it did here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the pieces are falling into place&#8230;. Apple&#039;s going to grow to epic proportions, the halo effect will spread all over the world as it did here</p>
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