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		<title>By: Amitesh, New Delhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amitesh, New Delhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe AMD is just paying the price for being a distant number two to Intel. Both my laptops are AMD-powered and output has been nothing short of excellent. They are cost-effective,too.



Rumour mills along with their mediocre perception have contributed to the undoing of AMD. Not to mention, Intel will always get the better of AMD even if AMD takes lead in the short-run. Someone has rightly mentioned on this forum that AMD, instead of taking on Intel head-on, should carve a niche as a cost-effective, value-for-money chip maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe AMD is just paying the price for being a distant number two to Intel. Both my laptops are AMD-powered and output has been nothing short of excellent. They are cost-effective,too.</p>
<p>Rumour mills along with their mediocre perception have contributed to the undoing of AMD. Not to mention, Intel will always get the better of AMD even if AMD takes lead in the short-run. Someone has rightly mentioned on this forum that AMD, instead of taking on Intel head-on, should carve a niche as a cost-effective, value-for-money chip maker.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently purchased an HP Pavilion DV6646US labtop. It features an AMD processor. I can&#039;t remember how much grief I got from my friends about the choice I made. Of course, they work at Dell and they tell me about the horror stories about AMD labtops. I was sketpical at first, but I risked it and handed Circuit City $800.



As a consumer, I willing to pay for what I get. As a full time accountant, I ask myself why should I invest in technology that&#039;s going to get outdated in the next three months. Who keeps up with all this stuff? Unless your job depends on the quality of your computer or that you are filthy rich, I don&#039;t see any point. As far as my &quot;investment,&quot; I love it. I own two core 2 duo labtops that I purchased last year. Both of them cost way more than $800. My AMD beats it by a mile. Thanks to Vista little CPU meter, it never gets past 50%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently purchased an HP Pavilion DV6646US labtop. It features an AMD processor. I can&#039;t remember how much grief I got from my friends about the choice I made. Of course, they work at Dell and they tell me about the horror stories about AMD labtops. I was sketpical at first, but I risked it and handed Circuit City $800.</p>
<p>As a consumer, I willing to pay for what I get. As a full time accountant, I ask myself why should I invest in technology that&#039;s going to get outdated in the next three months. Who keeps up with all this stuff? Unless your job depends on the quality of your computer or that you are filthy rich, I don&#039;t see any point. As far as my &#034;investment,&#034; I love it. I own two core 2 duo labtops that I purchased last year. Both of them cost way more than $800. My AMD beats it by a mile. Thanks to Vista little CPU meter, it never gets past 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first two PC&#039;s were both AMD. Considering the abuse both I and my family have put them through over the years, I will have to give AMD high marks for durability. Having said that, I have begun looking into replacing my aged AMD 2200+ x64/ATI 9250 combo with something that won&#039;t have a coronary with Vista. Frankly, the performance gap between AMD&#039;s CPU technology and Intel&#039;s Quad core offering is far too wide to ignore. In addition, ATI&#039;s inability to keep up with the GeForce 8800 series cards in the new graphics-intensive games put another nail firmly in the AMD coffin. Sad to say it, but AMD has nothing out now that would convince me to concentrate my search on anything but Socket 775.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first two PC&#039;s were both AMD. Considering the abuse both I and my family have put them through over the years, I will have to give AMD high marks for durability. Having said that, I have begun looking into replacing my aged AMD 2200+ x64/ATI 9250 combo with something that won&#039;t have a coronary with Vista. Frankly, the performance gap between AMD&#039;s CPU technology and Intel&#039;s Quad core offering is far too wide to ignore. In addition, ATI&#039;s inability to keep up with the GeForce 8800 series cards in the new graphics-intensive games put another nail firmly in the AMD coffin. Sad to say it, but AMD has nothing out now that would convince me to concentrate my search on anything but Socket 775.</p>
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		<title>By: Yadgyu, Harkeyville, TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yadgyu, Harkeyville, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMD = Advanced Micro Disasters

Their chips are a joke. I wouldn&#039;t let my dog use a device with an AMD chip in it. I believe that AMD chips should be used for that &quot;One Laptop Per Child&quot; thing. They aren&#039;t looking for real power with those things.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMD = Advanced Micro Disasters</p>
<p>Their chips are a joke. I wouldn&#039;t let my dog use a device with an AMD chip in it. I believe that AMD chips should be used for that &#034;One Laptop Per Child&#034; thing. They aren&#039;t looking for real power with those things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse, Columbus Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse, Columbus Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big difference between AMD and Intel is rather simple.  Intel makes computer parts of all types, all colors, all varieties and does them VERY well in huge volumes quickly and AMD does not.  When Intel&#039;s management finally let their engineers (and money) loose, the new line of processors came out and smoked AMD in every respect.  Out produced, out engineered, out marketed and most importantly, out cashed, there&#039;s no way AMD could keep up.  Intel cuts its margins on processors, so what, make it up in flash memory or other chips and destory the competition.  Intel wins.



They [AMD] should to return to where it came from and selling lower cost, lower end processors that are not necessarily the hotrod ...but gets the job done.  They&#039;re missing out in multi-million dollar data centers (not as energy efficent, not faster, not more reliable, less configurations), in the desktop world, the mobile world, all of them.  AMD loses.



Enthusiasts may talk a big talk but they don&#039;t drive the market -- &lt;b&gt;business does&lt;/b&gt;.  I &lt;b&gt;am&lt;/b&gt; a developer, I &lt;b&gt;am&lt;/b&gt; an IT pro and I&#039;m an investor (small time) and I&#039;ve yet to consider AMD for the last few years.  Three years ago, maybe.  Today, absolutely not.  AMD does not offer a superior product in any respect for any platform.



Do I think AMD is dead? No.  Do I agree with the article?  Yes, AMD has screwed up as of late, the quads would&#039;ve helped.  Do I think they can make a come-back?  Probably not like before, Intel&#039;s paying attention now.  Will they always be there? I hope so, competition is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big difference between AMD and Intel is rather simple.  Intel makes computer parts of all types, all colors, all varieties and does them VERY well in huge volumes quickly and AMD does not.  When Intel&#039;s management finally let their engineers (and money) loose, the new line of processors came out and smoked AMD in every respect.  Out produced, out engineered, out marketed and most importantly, out cashed, there&#039;s no way AMD could keep up.  Intel cuts its margins on processors, so what, make it up in flash memory or other chips and destory the competition.  Intel wins.</p>
<p>They [AMD] should to return to where it came from and selling lower cost, lower end processors that are not necessarily the hotrod &#8230;but gets the job done.  They&#039;re missing out in multi-million dollar data centers (not as energy efficent, not faster, not more reliable, less configurations), in the desktop world, the mobile world, all of them.  AMD loses.</p>
<p>Enthusiasts may talk a big talk but they don&#039;t drive the market &#8212; <b>business does</b>.  I <b>am</b> a developer, I <b>am</b> an IT pro and I&#039;m an investor (small time) and I&#039;ve yet to consider AMD for the last few years.  Three years ago, maybe.  Today, absolutely not.  AMD does not offer a superior product in any respect for any platform.</p>
<p>Do I think AMD is dead? No.  Do I agree with the article?  Yes, AMD has screwed up as of late, the quads would&#039;ve helped.  Do I think they can make a come-back?  Probably not like before, Intel&#039;s paying attention now.  Will they always be there? I hope so, competition is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Druegan, Akron, OH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Druegan, Akron, OH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a big fan of AMD for years. They&#039;re certainly not dead in the water yet.  I&#039;m no IT profession, industry insider, or financial guru.. I&#039;m just a &quot;computer enthusiast&quot;..  But for the last several systems I&#039;ve put together, AMD has provided me with excellent value, efficiency, and reliability..  far better than the boxes I was building using Intel chips.



Is that in any way &quot;Definitive?&quot;  Of course not.  Nor does it mean I think that AMD can &quot;do no wrong.&quot;  I firmly believe that the aquisition of ATI was an utterly boneheaded move, considering ATI was/is strictly a &quot;2nd rate player&quot; in the video card market..



But all in all, AMD builds a superior product, in my opinion. Better chip design, better support architecture, and ultimately, less relying on clock speed as the &quot;be-all, end-all of performance&quot;.



When the AMD &quot;Phenom&quot; X4&#039;s hit the market, I&#039;ll be standing there with cash in hand.  Now if I could only find somebody to make a motherboard with all the features I want that&#039;ll use Rambus&#039; XDR2 memory..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been a big fan of AMD for years. They&#039;re certainly not dead in the water yet.  I&#039;m no IT profession, industry insider, or financial guru.. I&#039;m just a &#034;computer enthusiast&#034;..  But for the last several systems I&#039;ve put together, AMD has provided me with excellent value, efficiency, and reliability..  far better than the boxes I was building using Intel chips.</p>
<p>Is that in any way &#034;Definitive?&#034;  Of course not.  Nor does it mean I think that AMD can &#034;do no wrong.&#034;  I firmly believe that the aquisition of ATI was an utterly boneheaded move, considering ATI was/is strictly a &#034;2nd rate player&#034; in the video card market..</p>
<p>But all in all, AMD builds a superior product, in my opinion. Better chip design, better support architecture, and ultimately, less relying on clock speed as the &#034;be-all, end-all of performance&#034;.</p>
<p>When the AMD &#034;Phenom&#034; X4&#039;s hit the market, I&#039;ll be standing there with cash in hand.  Now if I could only find somebody to make a motherboard with all the features I want that&#039;ll use Rambus&#039; XDR2 memory..</p>
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		<title>By: JM, Silicon Valley, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM, Silicon Valley, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Gumby, Rio Vista, California



I guess you haven&#039;t yet heard that Intel&#039;s Nehalem platform will be carrying integrated graphics within the cpu on certain models, which kind of steals AMD&#039;s thunder, before it even launched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Gumby, Rio Vista, California</p>
<p>I guess you haven&#039;t yet heard that Intel&#039;s Nehalem platform will be carrying integrated graphics within the cpu on certain models, which kind of steals AMD&#039;s thunder, before it even launched.</p>
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		<title>By: Gumby, Rio Vista California</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gumby, Rio Vista California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey you muckers!

    It will probably be the Fusion chip that will help AMD. Fusion will have graphic coprocessor inside the processor chip and eliminate graphic card or intergreated graphic card on the mobo. It iwll spell energy efficiency that will win the battle! Most of us are not gamers that demand 250 watt graphic cards . We want computers that can be left turned on around the clock and not worrying about utility bills. We are sick and tired of booting up computers or paying too much for electricity for idle compuyters with power hungry moderate graphic cards or intergrated graphics chips. I suppose that the graphic component in the Fusion will consume only five or ten watts or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey you muckers!</p>
<p>    It will probably be the Fusion chip that will help AMD. Fusion will have graphic coprocessor inside the processor chip and eliminate graphic card or intergreated graphic card on the mobo. It iwll spell energy efficiency that will win the battle! Most of us are not gamers that demand 250 watt graphic cards . We want computers that can be left turned on around the clock and not worrying about utility bills. We are sick and tired of booting up computers or paying too much for electricity for idle compuyters with power hungry moderate graphic cards or intergrated graphics chips. I suppose that the graphic component in the Fusion will consume only five or ten watts or less.</p>
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		<title>By: JM, Silicon Valley, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM, Silicon Valley, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Julie, Austin, TX



Perhaps I didn&#039;t word myself as clearly as I had hoped. My point was that K6, K7, and K8 weren&#039;t all-AMD designs.



K6 was NexGen, K7 and K8 were designed by what was left of the NexGen team/AMD, so it wasn&#039;t AMD on their own that designed K7 &amp; K8.



By the time K8 rolled out, most of the NexGen team had left AMD.



- JM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Julie, Austin, TX</p>
<p>Perhaps I didn&#039;t word myself as clearly as I had hoped. My point was that K6, K7, and K8 weren&#039;t all-AMD designs.</p>
<p>K6 was NexGen, K7 and K8 were designed by what was left of the NexGen team/AMD, so it wasn&#039;t AMD on their own that designed K7 &amp; K8.</p>
<p>By the time K8 rolled out, most of the NexGen team had left AMD.</p>
<p>- JM</p>
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		<title>By: Julie, Austin, TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie, Austin, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To JM, Silicon Valley

You are incorrect.  K6 was from NexGen.  K6 kept them alive after the K5 debacle.



The K7 and K8 designs were in-house and have been excellent triumphs of technology.  Ruiz seems to still be catching the glory of K8 success despite that it was conceived and initial tapeouts complete before he ever got there.



Barcelona happens to be as late as just about every other major processor launch from either AMD or Intel the last 10+ years.  Kudos to Intel for not being late on their last major launch which is what is hurting AMD right now.



I wonder if AMD R&amp;D teams really care about their success since stock options have been taken away.  With no link to future fortunes, what incentive do the engineering teams have to combat Chipzilla?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To JM, Silicon Valley</p>
<p>You are incorrect.  K6 was from NexGen.  K6 kept them alive after the K5 debacle.</p>
<p>The K7 and K8 designs were in-house and have been excellent triumphs of technology.  Ruiz seems to still be catching the glory of K8 success despite that it was conceived and initial tapeouts complete before he ever got there.</p>
<p>Barcelona happens to be as late as just about every other major processor launch from either AMD or Intel the last 10+ years.  Kudos to Intel for not being late on their last major launch which is what is hurting AMD right now.</p>
<p>I wonder if AMD R&amp;D teams really care about their success since stock options have been taken away.  With no link to future fortunes, what incentive do the engineering teams have to combat Chipzilla?</p>
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