HD DVD vs. Blu-ray: what it takes to win a format war
The battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray is far from over, but it's becoming clear that HD DVD will win round one – this season the tepidly reviewed and impossible to find PlayStation 3 (SNE) is the only Blu-ray player that comes close to being reasonably priced (at $500), while discounted HD DVD players can be found during this holiday season for about $415 – and the Xbox 360 (MSFT) add-on is $199.
What's not yet clear is whether HD DVD backers will be able to ride their early momentum through 2007, when the high-definition movement is sure to gain steam. I've been pre-briefed on some announcements due at next month's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, and I'm comfortable saying 2007 should bring a raft of LCD TVs at 1080p resolution, 42 inches and up, at prices starting under $2,000.
Once consumers start buying up those true HD TVs in the second half of the year, they'll be hungry for new media players that take advantage of the higher resolution. If the past is any guide, consumers will make their decisions on a combination of factors including:
Price. Whichever camp has a desirable player available at $300 will have a leg up.
Backward compatibility. If the HD DVD camp truly takes advantage of their ability to put out combo discs, this could be a decisive factor. Also, if the HD DVD camp can bring forward a backward-compatible player that upscales old DVDs to make them appear noticeably sharper, that would be a big benefit.
Computing. This could actually play strongly in HD DVD's favor. If a PC maker can figure out how to offer a burner that will burn information onto blank HD DVDs and play that information on regular DVD players, that could seal the deal. There is an incredibly large installed base of DVD players out there, and will be for years; if the HD DVD camp can use that to its advantage, it could be game over.
Killer app. The Matrix was the movie that popularized DVDs eight years ago – the scifi/action/thriller was the perfect flick to showcase the new format's capabilities. The intense action sequences were just the sort of content viewers would want to skip to and watch repeatedly; the underlying themes lended themselves to director's commentary. If it can figure out how to reprise the Matrix effect, Blu-ray could find an edge – its interactive menus are a cut above HD DVD.
WOW! Bigrich, you are in rare form on that one.
Total FUD. The author of the Economist article is clearly a HD-DVD supporter, and he chose to leave out certain facts that left Blu in a bad light. For instance, speaking of the Paramount issue, he made no mention that Fox is now back releasing for Blu with more announced titles than Paramount for the years end. The data layer on Blu is indeed shallower, that's what the insanly durable hardcoat layer on them is for, something HD can't do. As to HD being stamped out on existing DVD lines, only if the equipment is newer than 2002. These manufacturing lines don't upgrade gear every year, there are a lot of lines that would cost even more to comvert to HD than to Blu out there. BTW, those facts come from a MS VP Insider on a very well known forum. Current data puts Blu stand-alones out selling HD's for the last 12 weeks. Overall HD only holds 55% of the stand-alone market. As for the programming stuff, insiders on that well known forum have been debating this issue for a while now. The consensus now seems that BD-J is not really that difficult albiet harder, at least until outside companies start distributing shortcut tools. The internet connection…Well, HD does have that…just let me know when they really plan on utilizing it, and not for stupid pay-to-download screensavers and trailers.
This last week saw the IFA and Cedia shows which focused heavily on Blu and HD. At IFA Blu announced two Blu camcorders and at least 10 brand new Blu players, one being a Daewoo with profile 2.0. Daewoo did not announce a price but they are known for affordable products. Before you say Daewoo is crap and you get what you pay for, that certainly goes both ways (Venturer HD player 1080i). Also announced for Blu were a handful of exclusive movies. Studio Canal (a MAJOR movie studio in europe) formerly HD exclusive announced it's first Blu-Ray title. Ridley Scott demanded that Medusa, a HD exclusive distributer, release one of his movies on Blu in Italy. Roger Ebert put forth an article in which he states Sony always has the better format, and gets bullied for it (he did also say he will not purchase a HiDef player until the war is over). All this coming from and during the IFA show. What did HD-DVD have at IFA…nothing. I am dead serious, nothing new at all. The only thing they had to say at their conference was their players are cheap, and Harry Potter is coming to HD (skillfully neglecting to say Potter will also be on Blu). That is all.
CEDIA offered almost nothing new for both formats. Sony had two new players, both very high in price (CEDIA is all about ultra high end stuff). HD had a $900 dual format player. That is all from CEDIA.
I do think it is very important to note that this whole format war is really only in the US. Every other country is now majority Blu dominant. Even long time HD hold-outs like France, Germany and Australia are now dominated by Blu. In Japan it isn't even funny. Japan is now over 90% Blu, and that is stand-alone players in addition to software.
The majority of realeases for quite some time have been with BD50's. At first there were a lot of BD25 releases, mostly from Paramount and Warner, however now nearly all are BD50.
Sony pushed to bankruptcy? Let me guess, you HEARD that somewhere right? That is a bold-faced flat-out lie and you know it.
Well there ya go riches. Gotta balance out your FUD with some facts from time to time. I ain't mad at ya tho, maybe your just to busy to keep up with facts. I did hear that the TL51 finally got approved. Too bad it will probably never see use for movies as all HD owners would have to buy new players for them to work, that is if they work at all, if combo failure rate is any indication. Even IF the TL51 could do movies, it still doesn't have any higher bandwidth which is what really counts if you want better looking picture and lossless sound.
P.S. Anyone that's heard today about Warner considering an offer from Tosh to go HD exclusive, it's old news from a few weeks ago. They debunked that rumor and are commited to dual format for the forseeable future.
Wow, you know the only thing that sucks about having to work and go to college is that you don't have much freetime…i didn't even get to finish bioshock, what a bummshit. Oh well i guess this is growing up. I got the chance to play resistance and warhawk over at one of my college buddies house. Resistance is so a call of duty type of thing, and warhawk…its not a bad game that one, but let me tell you this it feels alot better playing with the analog sticks that the sixaxis bullshit.
He is right blu ray disc are more expenisve. Three reasons why they are cheaper now. One they are not using the 50 gig disc, they have no internet features so there is no need. But they have had a deadline this year when all discs need to be realeased on 50 gig. Let's see if they can do that.. Two HD DVD has combo discs which adds a few bucks so that you get the DVD version as well. I have grown tired of this either do it for free, or just drop it all together. Warner has decided to reissue all of it's combos, smart move. Three right now the format war has pushed Sony to bankruptcy. They can not go any cheaper on their hardware, so they are trying to gain money through dropping the software price. Bluray is a very expensive technology, which might be it's downfall.
everywhere that i go blue ray discs are LESS expensive. i dont know where you go but they are ripping you off.
M$
I knew you would have something to say about all this. You know what your right it is a bit of good news for HD DVD, and at the same time a blow to Bluray. Honestly I would take paramount and dreamworks over Fox any day. And we don't know at this point what really lies in the future. I mean with this happening who knows what the future holds. It just goes to show big things are capable of happening.
In a business world, you'll soon find out that it takes money to make money. I am not going to sit here and throw Sony under the bus and say they have also paid studios. I don't know if they did, but part of me believes there are quite some incentives to going blu outside of pretoction and stuff like that.
As far as protection goes both formats have been hacked. You know it's going to happen whether Blu or red someone wil always figure it out…
Right now things are a lil limbo with Warner Bros. If they were to swing in either direction, I would say it would almost lock it up. But more so for HD DVD. Think about it as an adult. Universal, paramount, and warner. Vs Sony, Disney, fox, mgm. Now granted the blu squad has some titles. But I thought about it with Disney. Outside of pirates, what is it that i really want??? Cinderella? no, Ratatouille? Maybe, maybe cars. But that is really it. As an adult I want action packed movies. One thing and maybe the only thing BLU realy has going is Disney.
So right now things are heating up. I have both formats to which ever ends up winning is going to be ok with me. But I do much prefer HD DVD. Somehting about the picture just tops blu. As far as sound goes they are both great.
Now my bones witht he PS3. To me it seems as if Sony is purposely holding out on games so it can be pushed to buy movies. Home seems cool but I mean what does that really do for us? What I need is Metal Gear solid 4…. I mean Lair got a mediocre review and honestly how much fun can it be to fly around on a dragon? I need guns and missles force feedback int he remotes. The reason why I loved the PS2 so much.
I hated Xbox 1, but am very happy with what I have experienced with the 360 so far… Hopefully the PS3 picks it up in the gaming dept. Until then mine wil only be used for BLU.
There's the bigrich I remember, finally got a bit of good news eh. You were pretty quiet for a while. Well, of course I want Paramount movies, as well as Universal movies for that matter. However Para wasn't doing a whole hell of a lot for Blu, until they went exclusive and awoke Fox from their slumber. Looks like they've been busy in their absence. Fox's current release schedule blows away what Paramount had announced, and Fox has been announcing new Blus for release every day since they came back. Don't forget Spielberg wants dual release for all his movies that Para owns.
But hey, congrats, they finally threw you H-Dudders a bone. I also hear talk of some Blu player makers going red, possibly being announced at CEDIA.
I could give two sh*ts about Lair, not my kinda game. Plus, it was only one review, all the other reviews its been getting are great.
newhere…you must be from another country, right? I can't understand anything your attempting to say. BTW, Disney is still very firmly Blu, and the bribe M$ used to aquire Para was for $150 mil. Just for anyone who doesn't think any money changed hands in that deal, why would Para bother producing any Blus of Blades Of Glory (they have popped up in a few small Ma & Pop stores) just to announce 1 week before it's released that they are going HD exclusive? Before anyone claims that Sony paid Fox & Disney for exclusivity; Fox wanted additional copy protection (BD+) and Disney wanted region coding, both not offered by HD. Sony had no reason to offer them money. Additionally, Disney is currently spending millions of their own dollars in a nationwide mall tour in support of informing consumers of the wonders of Blu. Furthermore, Universal's own President has implied that they get paid to remain HD exclusive.
To the arugement that the PS3 has no games…Well, they certainly don't have too many. They do have some and they are very good, but it has been rather slow to be sure. There are some real goodies on the horizon, but it has been slower than it should be. Not to say that is the PS3's fault, Sony isn't the olny company making games. Oh well, the games will come. Hopefully "Home" will be spectacular, I'm excited about that one and it should be released very soon.
i cant afford a 360 LOL. nintendo sucks, last good system nintendo 64 rest suck ass. buddy, i have a 360 and it broke on me after a week of use. i was even carful to not keep this from happening. i gave it all its space, didnt use it for more than an hour per day.
well in those first weeks, i got gears(people say it is good) and it was boring, online well i am not going to pay microsoft to play online but at the end i did it wasnt that intersting. xbox live was pretty cool though. also i wish i would have waited more time with the 360 since i want to play bioshock. oh well that is what you get for bad quality. i sold the 360 and then got a ps3. it is the best quality, games……well only resistance to bad. a couple of good games but nothing like halo. cant wait for home and metal gears solid 4!!! looks as good as halo but halo is more of combat and meta gears is more stealth but oh my god that looks so good. to bad disney and paramount went to HD thanks to a 140 million dollars bargain that HD game to them. oh well i got pirates of the caribean.
enjoy them guys they look great
I'm not even going to get into this argument with you. You can't afford a 360 yet so you don't even know. I mean you didn't even mention gears of war…. Just keep playing your nintendo gameboy son…
another good reason…dude there arent a lot of good reasons to buy the 360. it only has halo, and bioshock that look amazing. but that is about it. not that i dont support it but nothing special that the 360 has except halo which i love so much! wish that would come out on other consoles but i right!!!lol
Damn you bigrich, first of all wats up man it's been a long ass time bro. haven'tbeen getting on gears lately but tonight i am cus i sort of miss now, but any ways you broke the news before me i found out that paramount went hd dvd exclusive and i was gonna post it but i had other things to do, any ways yeah that was shocking to hear. But it's fair enough knowing that blu still has other exclusives since sony owns the companies.
theres not much to say except enjoy all the extra movies and well…enjoy them. i mean it was a good i mean a great blow by HD paying 150 million for the exclusive. i really wasnt expecting this. but at least there is a competition again
All right you blu ray bitches what do you have to say about paramount going HD DVD exclusive? Wait let me guess " I didn't want movies from them any wayz" HA Also Lair got a shitty rating another blow to the PS3 blu ray player as a gaming machine. HA!
i dont like going to school. man do i have to wake up early. i dont really have time to play a lot anymore…no way…i have work, i have to practice baseball, i have to work out, and i have to eat. i…..i guess i will get over it. i just miss resistance a whole lot
Wait now m$, you gotta remember that even though fantastic four came out at an earlier time it was still being played on first generation blu players, compared to the one that they were playing it on when i saw it, nothing but sec. gen. and also like i said it wasn't eye popping it was just very clear but it didn't look like it was..3D for say. In other words its like comparing gears of war (HD DVD) to …um…like…F.E.A.R. Gears is very crisp and HD and eye popping and detailed…etc. And F.E.A.R is just crisp but not eye popping or detailed…you get me right??? But i do gotta check out a non animated movie, up to date, and with vc-1, movie on blu so i can see if your telling the truth.
p.s. this is an updated version.
Wait now m$, you gotta remember that even though fantastic four came out at an earlier time it was still being played on first generationg blu players, compared to the one that they were playing it on when i saw it, nothing but sec. gen. and also like i said it wasn't eye popping it was just very clear but it didn't look like it was..3D for say. In other words its like comparing gears of war (HD DVD) to …um…like…F.E.A.R. Gears is very crisp and HD and eye popping and detailed…etc. And F.E.A.R is just crisp but not eye popping or detailed…you get me right??? But i do gotta check out a not animated movie, up to date, and with vc-1, on blu so i can see if your telling the truth.
Fantastic Four?!? That was released in Nov. '06.
Try something newer now that they're really starting to open up this format. SERIOUSLY, when I watched Crank, my eyes literally popped out and hit the floor. Say what you will about the story and plot (or lack there of), when you can actually count the individual hairs on Jason Stathams face, well…
I just viewed The Patriot on Blu, and for a 7 year old film, Fantastic PQ/AQ! Kingdom Of Heaven also was amazing. The Host was stunning. Of course 300, eyes don't pop much more than that, regardless of intentional grain.
toldyouso, you said it yourself..your fourteen and incase you can't read i'll put it simpler for you 14. So don't try to argue with us more grown and wiser and obviously grown out of puberty men. Just see when you start to grow up and get a life, you'll start learning how to be more truthful to yourself, just like me i'm an honest guy, i'm seriously starting love blu-ray it's finally living up to it's hype. For instance i saw fantastic four on blu today and wow what a difference from it's past movies that i've seen, but i honestly still can't see that "eye popping" detail….whats missing?
toldyouso, you said it yourself..your fourteen and incase you can't read i'll put it simpler for you 14. So don't try to argue with us more grown and wiser and obviously grown out of puberty men. Just see when you start to grow up and get a life, you'll start learning how to be more truthful to yourself, just like me i'm an honest guy, i'm seriously starting love blu-ray it's finally living up to it's hype. For instance i saw fantastic four on blu today and wow what a difference from it's past movies that i've seen, but i honestly still can't see that "eye popping" detail….whats missing?
first of all, resistance if not a gears of war or a halo. it is different, halo i love to play with a friend, resistance i love to play online. amazing, and i am not sucked in the hype it is just like you got sucked into the hype of apperently buying trash. i acctually lost my life thanks to the stupid game. now all i do is eat play baseball, go to school, and play resistance. i also want heavenly sword, the darkness, and CoD4. mabey you are bad at resistance and you are a sore loser. oh wait…you are still a loser for buying an xbox witch is the worst quality i have seen since the gamecubes controller
Hey 14 year old idiot the PS3 sucks. I have one use it for Blu ray, have not played a game on it for like 5 months. Resistance sucks kid don't get tied into the hype. No force feedback in the controller makes the game just lame…
um…i am 14 years old. i think that i can still enjoy the best console for a couple of years. and buddy, i played gears of war, boring!! multiplayer and single, online sucks compared to resistance. halo, amazing!!! only for multiplayer offline.
toldyouso, you got me wrong bro. I only want a ps3 for blu-ray…as for as time can tell..i don't think ps3 is ever gonna get such a kicass game like halo or gears of war. Well maybe just one and that will be…drumroll…MGS4. Oh and the only reason the 360 is getting boring for is mainly because of the fact that i just got a car and i've been paying alot of attention into it. In other words i'm growing up and getting more of a life..which i recommend you do the same. But yeah once in a while i'll pop in that gears and blow some faces up.
-ray….out
not to be rude but i told you so, i still havent gotton bored with my ps3, i still play resistance, motorstorm, darkness, and oblivion. and from time to time watch a blue ray movie rented from blockbuster.
I personally don't give a crap anymore all i know is that 300 on my hd dvd looks amazing and it's running on analog. To be honest i hardly even play my 360 anymore it's getting boring, i can't wait for halo 3 to come out or mass effect, assassins creed, ….for that matter. Oh yeah, i saw open season on blu-ray running via hdmi at full hd, it looked amazing, no lie, it really looked awesome. But it's the animation movies that blow ur mind i still haven't seen a real people movie on blu that blows my mind. As for hd dvd…it needs more block busters!!! Soon i will purchasing a ps3.
Devin, dude. Sony doesn't own everything Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is NOT proprietary, Sony had a hand in developing it and they are one of the biggest supporters of it. Sony is but one movie studio in support of Blu. Others include Disney (who owns Touchstone and Buena Vista), Lionsgate, Fox (who owns MGM – the largest back catalog of movies of any studio in the world) I know Fox hasn't released in a while but they will. Paramount and Warner support both. In total there are 47 exclusive Blu-ray supporting movie studios and 29 studios that support both formats only one of which affiliates with Sony, and that is Sony. The Cell processor found in the PS3 was jointly developed by Sony, IBM and Toshiba (the same Toshiba that holds patents in the DVD forum that helped develope HD-DVD, who is the biggest beneficiary of HD-DVD). Several companies produce Blu-Ray players such as Sony, Samsung, Pioneer, Denon, Philips, Sharp, Sun, Panasonic and Dell (for their computers). Again, all independent of Sony. If you have it in your mind that Sony may offer up some sort of compensation to other companies to help support Blu, well that may be, I don't work for Sony so I cannot say. However, if you do believe that, then to say that M$ and Toshiba do not offer kickbacks to Universal to stay HD-DVD exclusive is just plain ignorant. I wish all movies were on both formats equally, then all can see the true superiority of Blu. 
Thanks for reading my rant…
why would you buy an xbox elite? no one could that dumb. it cost more than the xbox 360 but is even worse in technology. i mean for crying out loud, the thing isnt even wireless. i would prefer a wii from the xbox elite, yet i would buy an xbox 360 before a wii. or would i…? actually, that i would have to think about really hard.
Don't forget that the only reason Sony has any edge as far as movie selection goes is because the only way Sony can figure to win is to own everything. Sony owns the majority of the movie industry including music labels, computer chip manufacturing, and so on and so forth. Sony is more of a monopoly than Microsoft ever was. If Sony can own the majority of the market that releases movies… or let's say a format… then I guess there is no choice than to buy Sony. Sony plays so dirty and they always have. The only thing Sony learned from Betamax or MiniDisc is that they must own everything thing to win… or else another format will win to the open market. I love my Elite with the HDDVD add-on drive. The HDMI cable that the system comes with works great on my 56" Samsung 1080p. I cannot complain and I have had no problems. I just wish that there were laws for fair market. All movies should be available for both formats in my opinion and let the better man win. Accessories, like movies, shouldn't determine who is better or more practical.
Thanks for reading my rant.
i got it from a close friend that bought 2, one for himself and the other so i can buy it for 100 dollars less.
i got 5 free blue ray movies, a free BD remote, and an extra controller for the ps3 for just 400 dollars!! that is amazing. that is saving around 200 dollars. there aint any better deal out in the whole world at the moment.
i still cant beleive that my 360 scratches the disks and that 1 out of 3 break down in a few weeks or days! good thing that i got the one that doesnt break down. even though i dont use it at all anymore.
1. stop posting here ray, you have been posting here since forever. i recomend that you get a life.
2. this is a blue ray and HD dvd forum, not a lets discuss about xbox games. if we discuss that we can get to the info that 30 percent of the xbox systems are breaking down. that is sad…for the people that are dumb enough to buy an xbox
3. when will my blockbuster get blue ray rentals! i have asked them but they say they dont now. Right…at least i know it is coming around next month. i cant wait
Whocares get your noob ass out of here no one cares of your opinions here, nobody even bothers to respond to you. 2 things
1. get a knife and run into it!
2. that must mean you have no sense of anything because what you said is the most retarded shit in the whole world.."movie must look from the 70s…" fucking numbnuts plz go jump off a bulding freaking panzee.
Also the movie takes place a fuck load of years after the 70s.
Damn, i just saw the pics for the gears of war movie..DELTA SQUAD…and it looks freaking awesome. Let me tell you this much guys…the game aside from the movie characters don't look much diff. thats how real gears of war looks.
Looks like blue ray just got another advantage while HD dvd just took a big blow.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172635.html
dont believe, search it yourself.
http://www.devindra.org/tech/2007/06/10/is-it-time-to-give-up-on-hd-dvd
I suppose it's just another fanboy, right?
Just got my copy of Matrix on HD DVD, one word " Amazing". Anyone with HD DVD has to get the matrix trilogy, it will blow your mind. I am stoked to see the qulaity of HD DVD, it looks better than pirates on BLU, but not by much. Pirates on Blu was hot as well.
the blue ray player in the ps3 will last so much longer than the HD DVD add on will last. second,the hybrid dvd player isnt part of the competition. It wont sell half of the players that blue and HD have sold.
From what i hear,it looks like microsoft is running out of the old 360s since the people that bought that cheap piece of material are ending up with it breaking. And since microsoft replaces your 360 for free…that makes sense that it is running out. (incredible how cheap the 360 is)
Hi I have been reading all the posts and I have to say that it is very biast towards HD-DVD. However I think that this fight between Blue-ray and HD-DVD will be pointless as already LG have created a hybrid player http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/lgs-bh100-hybrid-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-player-1-199/ its expensive now but sooner or later the price will drop. While I wait I will play with my PS3 (ok I am a sony fan boy but I am not saying it is better than xbox 360) and watching the few blue ray films I have and I am amazed by the picture quality and I havent seen a hd-dvd playing so I cant compare. My friend has both a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and he had been trying to get a HD-DVD add on here in Britain and he has no luck. Thats the reason for the moment Blue-rays are selling more in Britain (not saying the world) rather then the HD-DVD. Its fair to say only a few sony fanboys like myself have actually had more then two brain cells to fight for our case on this thread.
Hi I have been reading all the posts and I have to say that it is very biast towards HD-DVD. However I think that this fight between Blue-ray and HD-DVD will be pointless as already LG have created a hybrid player http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/lgs-bh100-hybrid-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-player-1-199/ its expensive now but sooner or later the price will drop. While I wait I will play with my PS3 (ok I am a sony fan boy but I am not saying it is better than xbox 360) and watching the few blue ray films I have and I am amazed by the picture quality and I havent seen a hd-dvd playing so I cant compare. My friend has both a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and he had been trying to get a HD-DVD add on here in Britain and he has no luck. Thats the reason for the moment Blue-rays are selling more in Britain (not saying the world) rather then the HD-DVD. Its fair to say only a few sony fanboys like myself have actually had more then two brain cells to fight for our case on this thread.
M$ you need proof? got o amazon and search topsellers for dvd players. see what hits you in the grill when you do.
M$ is back to call peep names because he is a Blu fan boi and that's it. M$ you aint go tnone of that I bet, plus do you even have BLU? Probabl;y not. That article had BLU fan boi smell all over it. BTW call me out on any false writings I have and I will provide you with the proof. This minor article here aint saying nothing bro.
M$ is back to call peep names because he is a Blu fan boi and that's it. M$ you aint go tnone of that I bet, plus do you even have BLU? Probabl;y not. That article had BLU fan boi smell all over it. BTW call me out on any false writings I have and I will provide you with the proof. This minor article here aint saying nothing bro.
BTY, this is all of HD-DED against all of Blu-Ray. You can't pick and chose. "…if you look at stand-alone players…" The PS3 is a Blu player like it or not, you can choose to buy or not to buy Blu-Rays for it excluding the games.
You dumb HD-DED fanboys just don't get it do you. Read that digital bits article. That is an unbiased article right there. Unpayed for, Unsolicited, Unbiased. You cannot argue that. If you do then you are surely blind. A mindless typing zombie that cannot think for yourselves and believe all that FUD that comes your way. I have read the misinformed rantings of BigRich over and again. It still sounds like lies and misinformation to me. BigRich says he doesn't lie or misinform, however I have seen him called out on falsities with proof provided. What does BigRich do…attacks them personally then canges the subject. Yeah, nice debating style. I understand that there are zealots and nutbags on both sides of the battle line, but when people are just trying to debate and understand what it is that you see at least have the tact to respond in kind.
Ray…sorry dude but you just come off like Rich's lap dog.
It seems that The Didital Bits has had enough…
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/soapbox/soap060107.html
fdkfh, oh yes the ps3 is the only advantage to blu's victory, you can't make an excuse for that, because, if you look at the stand alone blu ray players you'll see that its' nothing compared to hd dvd standalone players, and also your making yourself sound like an idiot, because you have to understand that the add on for the 360 is only if you want it and ppl actually do buy it, and blu ray comes in the ps3 already and you know that ppl wanted the ps3 for gaming rather than blu ray, it's just because of ps3's lack of games that ppl are temporarily using it as a blu-ray player.
having blue ray in the PS3 isnt the only reason that blue is winning. didnt the 360 have an add on that lets you watch HD-DVD? it is just not a lot of people wanted that. but all the people buying a ps3 are doing it for blue ray (resistance, etc…). dont go on and blame blue rays victory over the ps3. the ps3 helped, but didnt do everthing.
Oh, my goodness, you blu-ray ppl just don't get it do you? Just read what Bigrich wrote over and over again, till you get the picture. Seriously Rich i couldn't of said it better myself. So really Confused has no point at all just an angry fanboy thats all.
confused has a point, why are people buying HD-DVD? could it be that it is cheap and unexpensive like the wii? Blue Ray is far more better in technology and has more support. sure HD-DVD has universal, but aside from that, what is the point?
Also chosen i don't know where you shop but best buys and cicuit citys try to get peeps to support Blu way more than HD DVD. That is because their reviews are based off of sales and the price of the purchases. When someone goes into these stores and buys hd dvd, it's because they know what they want. Not because they are being persuaded by a sales man. If anything it's the other way around.
So if you were a sales man and would get a higher commision from selling a more expensive player, wouldn't you think that Blu ray would be the format you would want to puch?
If anything it is the other way around confused. People buy HD DVD because it performs. It delivers. Yes it does have less support, but truly only wih disney. With Universal, dreamworks, paramount, and warner bros releasing titles, that gives the consumer plenty of titles to choose from. People also choose HD dvd because of affordibility. Why does that not make sense to you ? Chosen do you even have a Blu ray player, if so which one? I am sure you did not drop 1000 on the SONY BDP1. People are attractive to the quality of the movie experience as well as the cost. Which is huge whenever you talk about investing in a high end product like this. Almost all HD DVD players besides the 360 add on are capable decoding Lossless sound, can not say the same for Blu ray. I mean the PS3 is supposed to be the best Blu player, and it does not support lossless sound, what a rip off. Oh and how is Blu ray the superior format? Because they can make a disc that holds more gigs? What else? Nothing, they have undelivered and unperformed.
Chosen if it was not for the PS3, Blu ray wouldn't even stand a chance. Right now with the sale of the HD DVD player, numbers are showing HD DVD players sales are increasing ten fold. That means ten times bro. HD DVD sells stand alones, which means they are moving more tru players in house holds. HD DVD does not have depend on a gaming cosole to keep it in this war.
HD DVD the superior format…
I’ve been struggling to understand why people are still buying HD DVD. The whole idea of choosing the HD DVD format over Blu-ray makes absolutely no sense to me. When has it been the smart thing to buy a product that has weaker technology and two, has less support behind it? It’s never been the smart thing. So what’s motivating these consumers to buy HD DVD?
The first conclusion I came to was that most are just misinformed and aren’t aware of other choices. I’ve heard countless stories of store employees outright lying by painting HD DVD out as some kind of Godsend, while bashing Blu-ray to no end and suggesting that they choose an HD DVD. Also, they might be gravitating towards HD DVD, because of the name. Seeing the “DVD” in HD DVD, gives a comfortable feeling, because we’ve all come to know and understand the “DVD” format.
The second explanation was that people are choosing other formats because they know Sony’s behind Blu-ray and don’t want to support it, even though the BDA’s (Blu-ray Disc Association) comprised of other companies besides Sony. Most sensible people aren’t stupid enough to refuse to buy a better product over a brand name, but there are obviously a few of them out there, since we’re still seeing HD DVD sell.
The ones buying HD DVD don’t understand the damage they're doing to the movie industry. By buying HD DVD, you’re doing nothing but splitting the movie industry down the middle and prolonging the inevitable and that isn’t good for anyone. Really, HD DVD buyers are being duped and filling the pockets of greedy movie studios like Warner Bros, who are trying to leech off of both the Blu-ray market and the HD DVD market. Because of you, they get to stay neutral and double dip, while we’re left angry over the fact that our favorite movie is on the other format. So, to answer the question of “Why are some people still buying HD DVD?”, it’s due to consumers being misinformed and sheer ignorance.
Hi all again,
fdkfh, all, and specially people supporting HDDVD, I searched and searched but no HDDVD recorder is available. Blue Ray burners though are here (software too). So what I say to my clients is "you want your video in HD ? get a blue ray player or a PS3" (they prefer PS3).
Do you know how many small businesses are out there (all arround the world) ? Pros like me who shoot in HD and spent a little fortune in equipment, need something to depend on.
Of course I d go for both but…
Dont forget.
Machines are not sold by themselves. Applications sell machines (yes, yes movies and games included). Whats the urge for super clarity, super brilliant, super colour, super sound, super duper format if I CANT use it ?
Do I look like Paramount ? or Universal ? or NewLine ? is my name Warner ? I dont even have a Warner Brother. 
I dont know your ages but keep in mind this.
Your birthday party, your wedding, your school trip, your vacations (your naughty girlfriend at the beach ) can be shot in HD but you can only store it in Blue Ray Disk (or mini DV tape in cam). What would you buy ? 1 player for movies and another 1 for your moments ?
I m a pro. I need both. But if someone out there wants to spread HDDVD hmmmm he must do something about it. FAST. Something more than "GO GET HDDVD CAUSE ITS PERFECT"
So at the momment I agree with Ray and Blue Ray.
Oh and something last (but not least) about SONY.
Yes everybody knows what happened between VHS and Beta. But there s an ancient saying in Greece. "A wise man wont do the same mistake twice". I dont think Japanese speak greek, (LOOOL) but I really dont think they d make the same mistake twice either.
Thanks for listening
P.S. I have nightmares when I think of an HDDVD burning software from Microsoft. God Helps Us All. LoooL.
PSyxiatros i would go with blu-ray because i think thats the only format available for recording, and it's perfect for the space, you can save alot with it, yes it's true blu-ray has the advantage in this case just because of the space, and the availability.
Hello all,
I wanted to ask you all a question since you re messing with HD for so long.
I just bought a HD prosumer camera, cause I shoot weddings and I wanted to be able to offer one more choice to my clients (other than DV).
The question is this. After a 12.000 euros (I live in Greece) investment in hd camera, hd monitor and hd pc for editing, what media should I burn for my clients ? HD-DVD ? Blue-Ray ? or both ?
But is there a HD-DVD Recorder ?
Thank you all in advance.
Things are heating up. Well I am now a proud owner of the HD DVD A-2 stand alone player. Man it's hot! With the release of Matrix HD DVD, and pirates this week it's been crazy. being a HD DVD fan i am holding off to buy pirates on BLU. But I'll be getting it soon. My stand alone player supports Dolby True HD, and lossless sound which my PS3 does not (disapoiting). But yeah the update is coming out for PS3 for upconversion which is cool.
My question is why does anyone care if it upconverst old games? i mean dam haven't you already traded in last years crap. Problem is PS3 needs to bring out there big dogs soon. I really don't care gaming ont eh 360 is dope, and i just use PS3 for BLU. There is news that HD DVD is releasing over 500 titles this year. Does that seem like a format going anywhere. Also with my purchase of the A-2 i also got 5 free hd dvd's look into it.
I'm done with the fighting really though. Best thing is to just buy both formats and enjoy all teh movies you want..
so i hear that now the PS3 can upscale normal DVDs to 1080i, and also the ps1 and ps2 games. That is pretty damn cool.
Not much to say, except that i must admit the halo 3 beta is badass and the graphics are actually pretty damn awesome, pretty close to gears, and thats just a beta, Bungie claims that thats not the way it's gonna officially look, it's suppose to be better looking, but the way it is right now is pretty sweet. Hmm, yeah, there are some stuff that remind of halo 2, well mainly just the trees and the cliffs.
back again, and as far as Dell/Alienware they are the same company, and they have now struck a contract with Sony to have the option for BluRay Drives in their higher end systems. Smart move on Sony's part, this creates a base for their market to grow, but with how high the prices of the drives are you wont see many people using them im afraid. As far as BluRay being new an thats why there is the high price, its been out longer then HD has, just not to the public. And wtf is with people threating people on here? are you just stupid? For the sake of all that is good, no one insulted your mother, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, so calm down.
catch y'all later
Have not bought any Movies lately money. But I know what your getting at. Don't trip Blu has had the same problems in the past. Bad part is it had to deal with their players that don't have firwire update and so you the blu ray owner get screwed.
Ms gotta pay, u always and i mean always put up links that are based on someones personal opinion, what good does that do? There are no facts at all just someones opinion for something, it doesn't mean everyone is gonna feel the same way.
One opinion about the "elite"
http://360.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10072
please read to the end…
TW thanks for not coming in and just flaming me. It seems that's all the Sony Blu backers do here. I don't ever buy into any hype in regards to studios switching sides until I see some hard evidence. One thing is for sure by having both formats, this war is becoming just a drag to me. I still support HD DVD I honestly think there transfers look a lot better. But We'll see how Pirates looks on Blu pretty excited for that. I try not to buy BLU movies but I will buy those two first day. I have about 8 hd dvd's and around 2 Blu's. I use netflix to just rent them. Sony all you other Sony Fanboi's, Flame on! But this war is at a stand still. yes Blu had more disc sales in teh first quarter. but they also released alot more movies than HD. Which is now changing. HD DVD is picking up it's releases and will see a strong summer heading into the ens of the year.
TW thanks for not coming in and just flaming me. It seems that's all the Sony Blu backers do here. I don't ever buy into any hype in regards to studios switching sides until I see some hard evidence. One thing is for sure by having both formats, this war is becoming just a drag to me. I still support HD DVD I honestly think there transfers look a lot better. But We'll see how Pirates looks on Blu pretty excited for that. I try not to buy BLU movies but I will buy those two first day. I have about 8 hd dvd's and around 2 Blu's. I use netflix to just rent them. Sony all you other Sony Fanboi's, Flame on! But this war is at a stand still. yes Blu had more disc sales in teh first quarter. but they also released alot more movies than HD. Which is now changing. HD DVD is picking up it's releases and will see a strong summer heading into the ens of the year.
ofcourse you think that it is false information. you are backing up HD DVD. and i am backing Blue. But hey, fact is fact and it is official, blue has universal but not at the exact moment. I like that you are also honest though, both have most have movies (HD has less), big one is king kong.
You also have a point that it is not as good as it should be even with the ps3 out. Even though the 360 has a HD DVD add on.
Final point, the war may last a while, but it looks like blue ray has already won… onless it messes up. dont see that happening though.
Universal is not moving to Blu anytime soon. You know I always hear this false information. Just the other day an HD DVD rep said it was already in the mix that disney was moving HD DVD. Oh yeah sure anytime now. This big fight will be in a stand off for a very long time. Although blu has out sold in teh first quarter, I am surprised they have not done as good as they could have been with teh help of the PS3.
I still firmly back HD DVD, they are now starting to release more movies which is helping them get actual sales. They need to bring out more block busters, maybe universal is holding onto them. I am looking forward to getting Pirates 1 and 2 on Blu though….
One of my relatives that works at a pretty high rate met with one of Universal Studios vice president so that they can discuss how my relative's company that he works with can help them gain more money. They talked for some time and said things that i cannot say but the vice president did say that they would also release blue ray soon.
This plans usually take from as soon as 1 month to up to 6 months.
Obviously, I know a lot of people arent going to believe this since a guys word isnt word anything now a days and instead you need physical proof. But i am happy that it will happen officialy and soon.
Acctually, it is said (not rumored) that Universal Studios is now in process of making blue ray. They still don't have movies out, but wait very little, mabey a week or a little more to see some huge titles out.
Ok, only one thing to say and that is that HDMI 1.3 is said not to be used till 3-4-5 years from now, so does it really matter? The point is that at least HDMI looks better than component cables, and thats any HDMI version.
First, i would like to warn people interested in the 360 elite.
The 360 elite is not wireless.
It doesnt use 1.3 HDMI but 1.2 HDMI.
The 120gb is being sold by microsoft for a couple 100 dollars extra of what it really is worth.
For my opionion, bad technology.
Second, Universal Studios is now finally making Blue ray discs and HD DVD. Big impact fot HD DVD and blue ray.
By the way, no matter what side yer on be sure to check out Sony's humorous Blu-Ray site "The Museum of Low Resolution"
Good lord is this debate really still going on? Yall need to seriously go out and watch some of these Hi-Def movies rather than kickin it around on here *chuckles*.
Anyhow a few things, Kudos to HD-DVD for its 100k standalone milestone and kudos to Blu-ray for being the first of the formats to hit 1 million in sales despite being launched a few months behind.
The PS3 is also doing rather well due to booming sales in the UK, Austrailia and Japan helping to offset the decline in U.S. sales. And congrats to the devs of Motorstorm for creating a sweet game that cracked the top-5 in sales for the month of march.
Interesting move from Microsoft in making the Elite and we'll see how that pans out, I personally don't see it making that big a splash and the 160 GB HD is old news as owners of the 3 have been upgrading our internal HD since launch (probably some 360 users did too, not sure… don't really care to find out )
Some of the facts:
BD vs HD-DVD player prices: HD still lowest.
Amount of players (total): BD has more mainly thanks to PS3
Disk cost (retail): Similar, BD has a lower average price.
Disk availability: BD has more available.
Titles released: BD has more due to higher studio support.
Console Support of Format: Sony supports its format with PS3, MSFT gives their backed product a casual nod with a terrible HD addon to the 360. (The Elite will not make this any better btw since there are no plans for an updated HD-DVD drive so to those who get the Elite at launch in black then the HD addon, enjoy the oreo cookie look )
Total Disk Sales: BD just sold a million, case closed.
Total PC support: Pretty much a tie as Dell started releasing BD options on their computers and Alienware PC's, plus Sony releasing it on their Vaio line.
Not going to get into arguements anymore, thats why I took the hiatus. Like I said our arguing doesn't make the format war tip to any side.
-PS3guy
Good lord is this debate really still going on? Yall need to seriously go out and watch some of these Hi-Def movies rather than kickin it around on here *chuckles*.
Anyhow a few things, Kudos to HD-DVD for its 100k standalone milestone and kudos to Blu-ray for being the first of the formats to hit 1 million in sales despite being launched a few months behind.
The PS3 is also doing rather well due to booming sales in the UK, Austrailia and Japan helping to offset the decline in U.S. sales. And congrats to the devs of Motorstorm for creating a sweet game that cracked the top-5 in sales for the month of march.
Interesting move from Microsoft in making the Elite and we'll see how that pans out, I personally don't see it making that big a splash and the 160 GB HD is old news as owners of the 3 have been upgrading our internal HD since launch (probably some 360 users did too, not sure… don't really care to find out )
Some of the facts:
BD vs HD-DVD player prices: HD still lowest.
Amount of players (total): BD has more mainly thanks to PS3
Disk cost (retail): Similar, BD has a lower average price.
Disk availability: BD has more available.
Titles released: BD has more due to higher studio support.
Console Support of Format: Sony supports its format with PS3, MSFT gives their backed product a casual nod with a terrible HD addon to the 360. (The Elite will not make this any better btw since there are no plans for an updated HD-DVD drive so to those who get the Elite at launch in black then the HD addon, enjoy the oreo cookie look )
Total Disk Sales: BD just sold a million, case closed.
Total PC support: Pretty much a tie as Dell started releasing BD options on their computers and Alienware PC's, plus Sony releasing it on their Vaio line.
Not going to get into arguements anymore, thats why I took the hiatus. Like I said our arguing doesn't make the format war tip to any side.
-PS3guy
Oh yeah, that 120 HHD on the elite…not worth it's weight in shi…well you know.
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/04/20/120gb-360-hdd-worth-only-100/
And this is from a xbox supporting site.
And Blu returns to the lead not a day after the HD-DUD sales spike, which was a rumored HD buy-a-thon by the zealots, perhaps even using some unsavory tactics (rumored). Check out the charts…
Not exactly, all they have to do is to just keep coming and with more blue ray movies and more games for the PS3. Even though with resitance that really is enough. It is just extrememly good and addicting.
The playing field is starting to level out again. I see HD DVD picking up steam once again. The only thing Sony can do is delay the release of games on it's system so people have to use it for Blu…
HD DVD is the first of the two formats to sell 100K stand alone consoles. That is not including computers w HD DVD or the ADD ON for the 360. This is good news for HD DVD. I think both formats are here to stay.
Too soon for either. Unless were talking about full seasons of television shows on a single disk, theres no reason for that much information. People are still buying DVD players and burners, the market for them hasn't even started to plunge. And 25-30 dollars for a movie is total crap. In the war between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, the sensible and practical DVD wins, simply because it dosen't cost me an arm and a leg.
I am always amused to see the constant "Beta lost" comments as if it died and went away. Of course we all know that sadly the market for cheesy, cheap home players was won by … yes the cheapest cheesiest format, VHS.
The public simply are clueless about quality it seems.
However, virtually all TV shows were shot, edited and played back for broadcast with Sony equipment right up to today. The original Beta morphed to U-Matic, BetaSP and DigiBeta and Sony has always ruled the quality war. If a pro showed up with some form of VHS equipment it was a joke.
So enough with the 'Sony lost' comments and be grateful they produced such excellent equipment all these years for the professional market. Had they really lost and TV production had been on VHS gear I think even the morons that selected VHS over the original domestic Beta might have noticed their picture's lack of quality! Then again … half the same morons now watch HD TVs with a stretched SD signal thinking they have HD … so maybe not 
M$ you got nothing else to say, but stupid lame remarks, you need to get your own head out of your own ass! and pronto. Clearly you don't read or didn't read all of my comments because i clearly stated that i don't hate blu-ray i just think HD DVD is better. So i am sticking to my own guns bro, i like both formats, but i just like one of them better, whats wrong with being honest? does the truth hurt you that much?? Well, just so you know i am a honest person, and if you say that Blu-ray uses vc-1, mpeg 4 now, then i'll have a look at one of the movies that support it, and i'll give you my honest opinion. You just never know when blu-ray will finally live up to it's hype. Also on xbox live, me and rich even talk about how SOME blu=ray movies do look good, like Ultra Violet for example that movie does show potential, but there are just some parts that remind me of DVD. And to my understanding that movie uses mpeg 2, so if it looks good on that codec then imagine the possiblities of blu ???!!! But that my freinds is just what i'm waiting for. I need to see something other than The fifth element on blu-ray at best buy or circuit city, because that honest does not show blu's potential at all. Until then i'll let you know what format truely is the superior format, but for now it's HD DVD!!!
Ray, I see when the house of cards fell down it hit you right on your head. Cause nobody can be that retarded naturally.
You sorry hypocrites need to stick to your guns. For all the hate you send blu, at least rich, you still support it (with your dollars). I don't care how badly you want to watch a movie, you just cannot have it both ways. Support your chosen format (even if it is HD-DED) and wait. Until your format gets what you want, get it on DVD. Don't blur the lines.
Ray, the majority of blu release now have VC-1 or even BETTER AVC/MPEG-4, yet those with MPEG-2 still look fantastic. Ray you need to pull that head of yours out rich's ass, bud.
Blu-Ray, the superior choice.
Ok, first of all Good post there Rich, second of all i ain't even gonna bother to respond to that retarded comment from resistancefallofmen, Third, M$ you gotta be retarded, Rich only got Ps3 for the blu-ray BUT, only because blu-ray has movies that are not available on HD DVD, it doesn't mean that Blu is better..NO WAY, at least not yet. and it doesn't look like it's going to be either, i don't think they are ever gonna get vc-1. I don't care if hd dvd still doesn't have other studio support (DISNEY!) i know that hd dvd is the better choice.
BigDitch, aren't you one of those bums. Didn't i see you say you bought a ps3 for blu-ray???
Do yourself a favor and burn all those crappy HD-DUD discs you have. at least play frisbee with them, that's about all they will be good for soon enough.
RFOM, i second that dude.
OH BTY, check this out about M$ "channel stuffing"…That house of cards comes down quick don't it…
http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html
HA HA HA! you are totaly a loser. all is see there is false info. dude when you do research, try to get the facts.
these are the facts:
Blue Ray is at the moment winning in US.
Blue Ray is losing in Europe.
Blue Ray looks the same as HD
Blue Ray comes with the PS3.
Blue Ray is so far flawless.
Blue Ray has more space.
Blue Ray is going to win.
Those, are the facts. Do some true research ok.
HA HA HA read this you blu ray fag boys… I fell sorry for you bumbs who bought a player without updatable compatibility. This goes to show HD DVD is a superior format.
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/dontgettheblues-saynotoblu-ray/4407
Hey Shadowdao,
What do you mean by, "only Sony supported studios use Blu." That seems a bit off base.
Dell and Alienware have Blu.
Also by price. If you are talking movies on the selves, then that is incorrect. End product has same price. I assume your talking about hardware. To which I reply, Blu is a brand new and viable technology so it will start out to be more expensive. Soon enough the prices will level out.
What the heck?? BluRay is totaly winning. Look at the ads. its every ware. all my friends are buying blurays not hddvds! Look at who supports the two! the list is much bigger for bluray! third. sex. bluray has sex apeal. hd dvd sounds square!
go and buy a bluray people!
OK, Reading through this, and seeing people get angry over stuff, that really in the grand scheme of things doesn't really add up to much. Here are the facts as far as HD-DVD and BluRay, since that is what the article was about. Not who is better then who, what gaming system can do what, or anything like that.
BluRay :
Pros:
Faster Data Storage, More Data Storage, Higher capacity for the future.
Cons:
Sony is the only one licensed to use it on computers, which with the data revolution far on the way, people want something that is cheap, easy to use, and something that gives them options. The fact that Only Sony supported studios use BluRay discs kinda shows one more time that Sony hasn't learned from the mistake of Beta.
HD DVD:
Pros:
Used by more companies (HP, Toshiba, Acer), duel format. Price.
Cons:
Slower Speeds, Limited growth
Overall, I want to see BluRay come out on top because of the possibility but Sony has a habit of screwing up a good idea lately. I fear BluRay will follow the fate of the beta.
Ok, gfsqada your right on the part that the elite will come with HDMI 1.2a and ps3 does support 1.3. But don't make shit up saying "HDMI 1.3 makes the sound and visual better" that's not the case. 1.2a and 1.3 are not totally diff. only real thing about 1.3 is that it supports a mini connection to adapt to cameras. And it only is somewhat better because it supports the new lossless sound capability, but 1.2a can also have that feature depending on what device your using and if it's in the box. But all versions support uncompressed audio and visual and that's what matters most.
are you retarded? research it if you want but the PS3 without a doubt supports HDMI 1.3, which makes the sound, and the visuals, a lot better.
Think before you post something that is false.
From what i hear my PS3 doesn't support HDMI 1.3 either so whats your argument? Do you even know anything about HDMI 1.3
I'll tell you this much I just got Guitar Hero 2 on teh 360. Yeah Sony bitches the only way that is happening for you in on the PS2, last generation. i am rocking out in Hi Def Sony Flamers!
"The new Xbox 360 Elite will only offer HDMI 1.2 instead of the most recent version, HDMI 1.3".
IS that also making the Elite better. I would buy a normal 360 if i wanted to. The people that buy that are getting ripped off.
from what i see, there is no way that HD DVD is going to win. And, for the record, i bought a 32 inch Samsung TV with 2 HDMI ports, a BOSE home theater system, and a ONKYO receiver just for the PS3 (and blue ray). so far, best money spent in a long time for me. never would buy a new tv for something that is the same of a 360 but with more memory. that is just a big waste of money.
yeah, i know what you mean rich. But aside that story, i'm preparing for the 360 elite. I'm gonna, for the mean time, buy a Sharp 20" Lcd HDTV monitor with an HDMI port. It's really nice, i'm basically getting it for the all-in-one purpose. It's nice man and i'm basically getting it so when i have the chance to get the elite i can hook it up via HDMI. YEAH BABY!! Oh and also i have a HD Cable box that has hdmi support so that would be useful as well. Now you ppl may be like "why are posting this for" well let me tell you thats a very good question, because this has nothing to do with 360/HD DVD, ps3/blu-ray. But let me assure you that i just got back from work and i'm very bored so i'm just clueing you in, in what i'm interested in. Other than that HD DVD For the win and blu-ray for..?..needs more work on?! Getting in on that gears now.
PEACE!
Ray
Don't sweat it bro that Sony fan boi is trying to flame you. It's funny how some people come in here to flame, and have no reason in which why they back Sony/PS3. M$ aint nothing but a flamer let's see what he has to say than we'll just bomb on his punk A$$.
I was never, I repeat, NEVER against ps3 or blu-ray and i still am not, so i'm not jumping no ship like dumbass M$ gotta pay the billz posted.
You see you ps3/blu ray fanboys got me pissed with ps3/blu-ray, i read all my posts and i specifically wrote that i still was interested in blu-ray and ps3, i still wanted to get them, but then it all started with the fact that everyone was so sure with their sony products, so i had to back 360/hd dvd up because they truely (right now) are the best products. I even posted that i like the pic. quality in blu-ray but it's not even close to hd dvd.
And why is your ass aching anyways? To much gaylords drilling your tight lil cornhole?? I wouldn't doubt it.
Bro, i knew you'd get mad because of what i last wrote LOL, YEAH IT'S MORE LIKE YOU TAKE YOUR SPANKING LIKE A MAN! That didn't even make sense anyways? what did you mean by that? To me it just shows that you got pissed and just trying to get me mad. Heh won't work with me. But anyways 360/hd dvd are the better products, i never said anything about them being the best hardware did i??? NO i didn't.
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/11941/Xbox_360_Hardware_Failure_Survey.html
yeah, better products my aching ass…RAYLORD!
nice try bitch. take your spanking like man, and stop trying to back pedal. don't worry, one day that other nut will drop…gaylord.
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I was never really against blu and ps3 but i made it seem that way because the fanboys thought that ps3 and blu were dominating already? and so i had to back 360/hd dvd up because i know that they are the better choice as of now, and the only reason i'm getting a ps3 is for the blu-ray and the only reason i want blu ray is because as of now there really isn't such great titles out for hd dvd and there is for blu-ray. So i'm not jumping no ship and i still do think 360/hddvd are the better products out. and bro your saying 500 dollars for slightly higher def? dude if the graphics kick ass with only components, prepare yourself for some kickass visuals that will make you cum in your pants, or maybe you cum to guys since you claim your name as gaylord saying "gaylord out"
then why are you arguing so feircely against the ps3 and blu. if your getting one you shouldn't be here at all. your really willing to drop another $500 on M$ just for hdmi and slightly higher def. funny how these posts go from screw sony/ps3/blu!! to- well, now I'm getting one. hahahahaha jumping ship that quick huh. yeah I know you still love your super 360. just funny how the people yelling death to ps3 so loudly now admit to buying or soon to buying one. stick to your guns gaylord
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Dude, i know that they said hd dvd is unproven but that doesn't mean that blu-ray is better in quality, it's only better in sales, who cares if the elite doesn't have a 65 chip? and the only reason i want it is because of the new hdmi port (which is the only thing diff. now inside the box) and the 120 gb i don't really care, i just want to game in HIGHER definition, and i'm not against blu or ps3 i just don't need them right now at all, besides i am getting a ps3 so that proves you wrong saying that i'm nothing but a 360/hd dvd dude.
ray I seen your posts and you ain't nothin' but 360/HD-DUD fanboy who can't except the reality of the situation. The Elite does NOT have the new 65 chip or a quieter disc drive. Xbox says that "internally the Elite is NO different." They didn't even have the balls to put a HD-DUD player in it. What does that tell you. In a Game Informer interview an M$ insider stated that HD-DUD was unproven. One year later is the right time?!!? Who's ass is your head up? At least sony waited and put out a quality product that they don't have to up grade hardware on every year. Who's the price gougers now?!?
bluray for life!!
Joe, stop with your pathetic fanboy arguing, just accept the fact that the elite is a good thing happening and happening at the right time, if it wasn't for your fanboyism you'd understand why they are doing this. And the guys that posted that bullcrap about the ps3 being the next gen winner, dude that guys is just another sony HARDCORE fanboy.
It is officialy true that now those with a 360 will have to spend what was the price, 460 dollars. Or around that area.
And after only less than one year of having released first 360? That obviosly shows signs of weakness for Microsoft and also that they are scared of either the wii or the ps3.
After all, the ps2 slim came out a couple of years after its original release.
I don't see this as anything good or exciting.
Elite Q&A with Mike Newey
http://www.totally360.com/gameinfo.php?details=newsid&newsid=1452
It's been officailized the Xbox 360 Elite will come out in April 29, 2007 with HDMI output, 120gb hdd, and HDMI cable is included! They even have it on their website if you don't belive it. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xbox360elite/default.htm?WT.svl=nav
I agree with the comments about this being a software war, not a hardware war and ultimately it is us as the consumers that lose out because we either have to buy 2 players (or an expensive dual player) or we are limited in the movies we can buy because we chose one format over the other. Rather than bickering about which is better we should be complaining that the manufacturers couldn't agree on one format to begin with. I think that Sony are probably mostly to blame as they have a track record in trying to make their own proprietory systems the industry standard. Fortunately this has rarely worked for them and I have to say for one that I hope they fail again. This is one of the reasons I chose the HD DVD option, although I will miss out on many titles that I would have bought from Fox and Sony pictures. As for the hardware I understand that Blu-ray discs prooved difficult to go to dual layer, let alone beyond that (200GB????) while HD DVD is already there and also that many Blu-Ray releases are still using Mpeg compression wheras HD DVD is using a much newer and improved VC-1 technology.
It would be only a smart business move if they di d produce a Blu player. The reason why they won't, Xbox live. Although micorosoft is a hue backer of HD DVD, if they don't have a strong year this year like last, that support can begin to drift. Isf you go to XBL you can download and rent movies that are exclusive to Blu only. I have seen the Descent on their which is a Sony picture. So there is no big rush for 360 to have a Blu add on.
Eventually you knew HD DVD were going to drop their prices. Is it a bad move? Maybe not. They do have great players, and don't forget their are hundred of titles out there now. If you don't have a HD DVD player and you go buy one for cheap. You can go out and buy plenty of movies right now until your Blu in the face. But us who already have one are sitting here waiting for new movies. Movies I personally want to go out and buy. So HD DVD is slacking in that area. But they are not going away. This war is long from over.
Just my 33 cents
Yes, thats what I meant. Already they are having second thoughts. Reason for that is that they have lowered or very soon are lowering the price for the add on since they see that HD is not doing good so far.
Actually rich, he's got it wrong but right, because they don't plan to make a blu-ray add on just yet, they're "considering" only if hd dvd dies out.
JoeJoeJoe were did you hear that? Please be serious when blogging in hear. Is that true? Probably not your just another Sony/Blu fanboi.
did you hear that Microsoft is planning to change the HD-DVD add on to a Blue ray add on. That also sounds like a pretty huge point.
Did you hear that The Matrix Trilogy is going to be hitting HD DVD? What do you think of that? I think it's pretty huge at this point in the race. What's next all the jurassic parks maybe? Or the big one Lord of the Rings?
HD DVD is gay your still alive? LOL
Look J I am not backing Blu, yes I bought the PS3 for a whopping 400.00 dollars. It's a good deal. One can only help that they make some good games for it exclusively. So i have a reason to actually buy them.
And J don't act like your leaving here for good. We all know you'll be back. LOL
Be happy with your 360 and hd dvd, seriously. I've attempted being reasonable in the past but you can't help being smug about things. Yes, all I have done on THIS thread is side with ps and blu since this is a bit of a anti sony/blu thread. A belated thank you to you for bashing on me and all other folks with a different opinion from yours. Bill Gates can buy me and my family a 1000 times over, I believe that is what you said. I've attempted to have a honest debate with you but you wont have it, you simply resort to name calling. I've returned the favor on an occasion or two. I once said, and still believe, the more gaming the better for us gamers. PS3's launch is a bit lackluster, as I've said before that is nothing new. 360's launch wasn't that spectacular either. Sony is putting a hefty chunk of attention to blu-ray, and neglecting ps3 a bit. Yes I know. Perhaps they are not too worried about a machine they know will eventually sell and be successful. Perhaps they are more worried about pushing their brand new tech blu-ray that they have invested quite a bit of money in. Nothing new there, just business as usual. You did state "why back a company that wants to take you for every dollar you have…" and now you are proudly backing said company. Whatever the reason, votes in this world are made with your dollars. Even if you only got it for blu, you still bought sony's game machine. I remember you saying not so favorable things about blu as well.
I'm just attempting to keep things a little level here. I'll be a man and apologize for the returned fire name-calling. I can admit though I just recently claimed I doubt Final Fantasy would go to 360, it is possible it may. Good for those who have 360 if it does, so they too can enjoy the wonder that is FF.
Well, that's about that. You actually want to talk some gaming and movies on HD with a little ribbibg here and there of course, cool. You sick of my long silly posts, cool. Say the word and I'm gone. This is in all honest and sincerity.
Peace out big kahuna…
J
The 360 basher your true colors come leaking through. Allright bro thanks for bashing me and for what I believe. I guess that would be a normal reaction when you know you lost.
J you claim to not be a sony fan boy but for the past months we have been on here, you do nothing but bash 360 HD DVD. And give props to Sony and BLu. Cmon bro just come out and say it. You a disgruntled Sony fan boy dissapointed by the PS3 and have no option but to bash those who are truly happy with owning the 360 and HD DVD.
v3rlon
you must have some defective hardware, or you are completely and totally lying. DVD load times are no longer than normal for my PS3, and Blu loads are a bit faster. My PS3 has never had a read problem. It really has not had any problem whatsoever right from out of the box.
I don't know where you buy your movies, but where I buy mine HD DVD and Blu prices are the same for like movies. Of course there are these things called sales…
YES!!! JESUS!! For I have repent so I too can jump aboard the 360 mothership, and the lord Jesus said unto me "you will buy a Zepplin, ur,a Zephyr, uuuhhh hindenburg". YES, I will purchase one of these fine pieces of sh-new technology so I too may be one with the masses. I yield unto thee Bigbitch- ur,a, Bigrich, for thine superior knowledge of all things HD and gaming. YES!! JESUS!! FEEL IT!! NOW richie rich I want you to be your smug self, be cool and punk me out. In JESUS' name, PUNK! For you are thy master of knowledge, and to be sure you have proven in the name of your lord JESUS to be continually and always correct! Is it not you that proclaimed "why back a company that want to take you for every dollar you have…" I am surely proud that you have personally sacrificed in backing said company only to prove them sinners and devil miscreants. YES!! in JESUS' name! Go forth valiant richie and play those Blu-Ray video films on that PS3 junk and you find that disc error that you so often spoke of. LORD JESUS!!! Protect young richie so he may continue his brilliant work of misinformed propaganda and slander to fight against the evil satan clan at sony and all the poor misguided sheep that they surely leading to slaughter…Amen…
Well I have both. A Sony Blu-Ray player (dedicated), and an X-Box 360 with the HD DVD player. They play on a 65" DLP 1080P TV.
Given a choice, I am buying HD-DVD= EVERY time.
1. HD-DVDs cost less generally by $5-8 each. Its the same movie and the same quality. I am not buying menus, so I do not care if the BD player has prettier menus.
2. And this is the kicker. ASTRONOMICAL load times. I put a REGULAR DVD in the sony, and 4 minutes (!!!!) later I have a picture on the TV. I put a BD in there, it can be twice as long (8 minutes of load time? What is that). Sometimes, inexplicably, it says it cant read the disc. I have to eject it and reinsert and wait for it to load AGAIN.
The HD DVD on the xbox loads as fast as a regular DVD for both formats (or if there is a difference, it is too small to notice- I did not use a stop watch).
However, there are several titles I like that are only on blue ray (or I could only find them on BD). So I am stuck with it–for now. I would trade every BD I own for an HD-DVD version in a heartbeat.
J are yu talking about the 20 gig PS3 that is no where to be found. Last i checked there are only 60 gigs for sale. I wonder what for????
But I am sure you have an answer for me.
richie rich I don't care what sony promises, I don't care what microsoft promises. I have lived and seen the past 20+ years of gaming as I'm sure you have. History is simply repeating as it always has, new game system new tech slow start. Did you actually read my post, you fan-twats are forcing me to defend the PS3 at every turn because you acually think that PS and Sony are going to fail and fall into a giant hole in the ground…with snakes. They will not just be beaten and go home saulking to mama. Even IF the PS3 never gained momentum and became the final 3rd place loser, remember a little system called Gamecube. High profile people were saying it was the end of Nintendo, they will never make a game system agian. Now look, the Wii selling more systems in Feb then ALL other systems combined. Anyway, I know sony isn't perfect, I know the PS3 has it's share of flaws. Honestly, I don't care, F DMC4. Never played it never will. Don't care about it's ratings or how many people love it. If I wanted to go with the blind, someone-else-think-for-me majority, I would have gotten a 360.
Ray Ray I never said they couldn't redesign, in fact I dig that. But to redesign only 1.25 years after the initial release, seems suspect to me. The PS2 redesign was 4 years after orginal release. All I'm saying is maybe microsoft should have released the system they wanted. HDMI and a larger drive was nothing new 1.25 yrs ago, maybe not as known as now. I guess they underestimated the interest in HD, well I'm sure there was no way to tell. It's not like their a tech company or anything. Again, Sony is NOT perfect they make mistakes as well. You kids just seem to neglect mentioning that MS and 360 have faults.
YES!! perfection at a mere $21 less than the 20gig PS3! YES! there is a god…
J,
don't you remember the ps2 slim? that was a 2nd version of the ps2, so what makes you think that the 360 can't do the same thing? It's all hardware revision bro, i honestly just think your mad because there doing a smart move here, and like Bigrich mentioned all this new technology, hdmi, 1080p, etc. is barely starting to really sell and get used, at the time that the 360 came out there wasn't 1080p tvs yet (at least i don't remember) and hdmi was barely even out. So thats why the ps3 has these capabilites because it was launched in the high def era. So for the past 2 years almost the 360 was perfect for high def because components and 1080i was still here, now it's time to move on and roll with the big dogs. So yes it will piss off ppl who have 1080p sets and hdmi capable, because they need to get a new 360 if they want it, but really i doubt that theres 10.4 million 360 owners who have those new technologies in their houses. But dude it's perfect for $479.
With 1080P TV prices going down why wouldn't it be a good time to drop HDMI? Doesn't that make sense? They had the very first system to offer HD gaming. Yes it was over component, but who did, and still who know has HDMI? Do you think 360 is laying an egg because PS3 has HDMI? HA HA HA bro if anything 360 is thankful for the PS3. Witht he high prices, lack of games, gamers are turning to 360 for hi def gaming.
J you sound like a Sony fan boy to me. Do you know how big DMC4 is going to be. But just like the excuse with losing rumble, all you sony fan boys can say " who cares I didn't want that anyways." I sit back and laugh at some of the responses in here.
The thing is once PS loses exlusive rights to MGS4 and FF they will only have gran tourismo solely for the PS. It's doesn't matter if there user base is large or not down the road. These game developers want to make money now. they want to put these games out now. J quit living off of false future promises that Sony makes.
So I am glad you added your five cents, I up that to about 10. What else you have to say?
PS is losing certain exclusives because the PS does not YET have a large enough installed user base for the PS3. As of NOW, there just are not enough PS3s in homes. A 3rd party game maker would be insane to keep PS3 exclusive if they wanted to turn a profit right NOW. When the installed user base grows, exclusives will be easier to hold on to. It's nothing personal towards the PS, it's just good business sense…What am I up to now, like 5 cents. I better give it a rest. (360 fanboys cheer)
Well Biggie, it must be different for you but my family and I are never for sale. That aside, DMC4 can lick dez nuts. Don't care 'bout that. The damn games will come in time, this is nothing new. Your acting like a damn rookie kid. Look at the gaming empire that PS and Sony have perfected over the years. They won't just lay down to any old chump from around the block. BTW, I'm really not that big a Sony/PS fan. You silly kids on this thread are forcing me to play devil's advocate. IF anything, I'm all about the big N and the Wii. The 360 had a slow start as well, in fact only recently have they produced any worth while games. To say that this is the right time for a 360 machine upgrade is just silly. It's been on the market for a year now? Looks to me that they got a bit worried once the PS3 finally hit the shelves. Then they produce and sell the 360 that should have been. IF the analysts are correct and PS3 drops $100 off the top, well that big price advantage just went out the window didn't it. Well, ranting and raving aside, there might be some interesting developments when the PS3 hits europe on friday. Also, Final Fantasy XIII will kick some major ass, and probably won't go 360…I guess that my 3 cents
J out kiddies
Just my two cents…..
I think it is a good idea and the right time for 360 to go HDMI. J I hear you about having to drop additional loot for a new 360. But not everyone really has to. Those w/o a 1080p can just kick it with teh 360 premuim and enjoy the games. Microsoft is not making it mandatory for you to get the new system. Now for myself yeah i'll get the new one eventually. But the premium 360 running off components looks just as good if not better than the PS3. Hell the Ps3 can look like heaven if it wants to, but if it has no games who gives a crap? you know what news was leaked today????? Devil may cry 4 is going multi=platform. Did you hear that J?????????????? I know you know what I am talking about being a PS fan. Devil may cry 4 is going multi platform. WTF?????
What is Sony doing????? Nothing they don't care. they want Blu to win that is it. They could care less about PS3 as a gaming platform. It's over J, the playing field is now even. Microsoft is doing this at the right time. Now for those who have not jumped next gen, can do so with 360 at a cheaper price and get all the games. Yeah I know MGS4 is still exclusive to PS3 for now. For now. And so is Final Fantasy. Butthat won't take long. Capcom saw tyhe light with Dead rising and Lost planet. There is money to be made off of 360 gamers. And so the rest of game producers will follow suit. The only games that won't go cross platform. Halo, gears of war. Xbox exclusive. Bill gates has enough money to buy you j, your family, and everyone around you times 1000. This is a chess match and sony is about to get checked mate. Especially if Blu loses. Which right now is hard to decide, although I like Blu's line up so I don't see that happeneing.
Just my 2 cents….
oh yeah, great!! So all the early 360 adopters have to drop another $500 or so on a new 360 that will be barely up to snuff with PS3. Yeah, real reasonable. So those who want the 360 that should have been but already have the old one, let's see…$400 for the original system… another $500 for the new one…well shit we're up to $900 for good ol' microsoft. Very reasonable! This machine, code name Zepher, has been talked about for a while now. That $600 PS3 don't sound too bad now do it. By the by, analysts are sounding off about a possible $100 drop of the PS3 around Oct.
Joe, the only thing that looks horrible is that fat piece of cooking grill that you use called the ps3, and just you can know sixaxis was a rip off from nintendo wii, so if it wasn't for the wii, you'd be saying stuff like ps3 is the only one without rumble…LAME! And look at sony now they're scared and there bringing rumble back, while a million others are gonna have to be stuck with no force feedback. Yes you may say something like "look at the Microsoft they're scared they have to add hdmi and a bigger drive" well son at least there doing it for a reasonable price!
the black version looks like crap. And I keep hearing it is going to be around the 700 dollar area. And if there is one, it will probably overheat like the first 360 did.
I still see nothing special for the 360 at all. (Except for Halo). The controller sucks, its size sucks for what it offers, only one with no motion sensing, and they look horrible.
FUCK YEAH!!!! Guess what? A new Xbox 360 is on it's way coming this april, Whats so special about it you may ask?
- It's including an HDMI port and an HDMI cable is included.
- It's quite.
- It's gonna be black like its predecessor
- 120gb HDD
- And the best part of it all is that (beware PS3 fanboys) IT'S ONLY $479$!!!!!!.
Even though they should of done this in the first place, at least there doing it now, and BigRich you can now enjoy Gears of War at 1080p!. I'm sending mine back and trading it for this new one. Now they say it really is confirmed that this is gonna happen i'll post the link so you guys can check it out, but if they end up not really making this new xbox 360..i guess im just gonna get pissed off!
http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/game-mag-says-black-xbox-360-is-coming-245472.php
Alright, big rich, i will admit that there aren't as many good games out as the 360 for the PS3, but, Resistance is a great game and is really adiccting. If you want rumble (i dont care) then wait for less than a couple of weeks for the rumble controller for the PS3.
Motorstorm, by the way, doesnt just look good, it is a lot of fun. Especially thanks to the sixaxis. that this kicks ass.
Oh and you forgot to mention Virtua fighter 5. I mean it is a good looking game, but boring as hell. Where is the online capability. I am thankful I only paid 400 for my 60 gi PS3 Blu ray player. Now bring on Pirates in Blu
mgkjght why is that your name? Are you a Sony retard rep? Reistance fall of man is ok, I mean ok for reals. Played it, had a few moments but just a standard first person shooter. Motorstorm what a piss off game. Cmon it barely can get 8 reviews from electronic monthly. Just looks good that is it. Ridge racer? Won't even spend my time on that. Just stick to arguing for Blu don't bring PS3 as a gaming system into this because you will get smashed on.
The ps3 is a piss off for gaming. I mean who the hell takes rumble out of the controler. i am playing MLB baseball and pitching was just terrible. In the past when you were out of the strike zone the controller would rumble and tell you that. Now it's anybodys guess. Resistance with rumble would have been so much better. Six axis is the most retarded addition they made to the ps3. Everything else makes snese, except thaqt. And the load times for Blu but it does offer more space for games. The other games you mentioned are either already out on 360, or will be released first. Please just stick to the Blu ray argument. 360 trumps ps3 in gaming.
stop lying that the PS3 doesnt have any good games out. There are some good games, and some OK games out. RESISTANCE FALL OF MAN, MOTORSTORM, RIDGE RACER 7, some sport games.
And in a few days there are going to be even more games, like OBLIVION, FEAR, and in long term, GRAND THEFT AUTO.
Those are enough games for me for a long time, and i am even good enought with RESISTANCE and MOTORSTORM. Sometimes i play CALL OF DUTY 3 after my dad finishes playing it.
i sumwhat agree with u bigrich but HD DVD does look beter they better come out with some good movies and your right ps3 doesnt have any good games out right now and is the cheapest bluray player
you know if they hadn't of made sony the backer of blu-ray, i bet everything would of went along more smoothly.
There are a few reasons why Blu are up in sales. One Ps3, has built in blu. 2 Ps3 again, has terrible games so Sony owners are using it as a Blu player. And three HD DVD is not realeasing any movies that are worth my money right now. I look at flicks coming out on Blu and with out a choice are going to end up purchasing them. HD DVD needs to bring out some block busters if they think they will stick in this fight.
The best thing to do is to get the 360 HD DVD add on, and then buy a pS3 for the least you can. Therfor you don't have to fight or take sides. You just sit back and wait it out.
so where do u get these lies from a fag at bestbuy who just wants to please a company or a website that is sponsored by Sony
so where do u get these lies from a fag at bestbuy who just wants to please a company or a website that is sponsored by Sony
ABZ get your head out of your ass. It WAS news all over the place. Blu-ray DISCs are out-selling HD-DVD DISCs to a 2 to 1 ratio for the last two months. Who cares about machine sales, with Blu-Ray PLAYERs (i.e. PS3) quickly gaining ground, machine sales is almost a moot point.
By the way Blu-Ray doesnt have more sales than HD DVD as a matter of fact its beating Blu in sales for the actual machine but in seperate discs im not sure but i'll look into it and post what i found on the subject
Alright, i've made up my mind, if HD DVD doesn't get support from (at least) disney by the end of this year, I'm getting a PS3 (FOR THE BLU-RAY MAINLY) I'm seeing some new games coming out for Xbox 360 and they look sweet. Ps3 is getting only like two new badass games but they look so awesome i want to get a ps3 now, and they are MGS4 and RESIDENT EVIL 4 (i think its 4 no wait 5). But PS fanboys even though i'm saying that i want a ps3, i know i prby still support Xbox 360 more, just because of the online play, and because they are getting more awesome games.
Big Rich in the house~! HD DVD for life. But I saw Kung Fu hustle on Blu and thought it was pretty cool. My mind is being warped. I want more High Def DVD's now, the PS3 sucks it's only good for Blu and I don't mind.
If i was to bet who would win, i would without a doubt vote for blue. i mean it is already beaten HD in sales for 2 months straight by at least double sales for dvds. And when the PS3 launches in the PAL countries, it will boost it up even more.
No matter which looks better (same), or wether one is more popular, THE ONE THAT GETS MORE DVDS OUT IS GOING TO WIN.
That would be blue with having Columbia Pictures, MGM, Disney, Lionsgate and 20th Century Fox exclusively making movies for blue.
by the way HD DVD has 1080p for those of u that didnt know feal free to ask any question u may have involving HD DVD vs Blu-Ray i have done so much research on the subject my brain might explode
i promise HD DVD will win because of Mr.Bill Gates who retires at the end of 2007 but is still a proublom for Blu-Ray now and he wont hesitate to drop another billion down on the table for HD DVD, why because he can the prices for HD DVD are cheaper anyway for what seems to be a better picture and sound believe me HD DVD will win i would bet money on it HD DVD for THE WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
J,
How can i say that hd dvd looks better than blu?
1. Even if both players were being played in the store you could still see a diff. Theres no excuse there, because the fifth element was running on hdmi and the hd dvd add on, was on component cables. Lighting? dude fifth element was being played in a dark area as well as King kong.
2. The blu-ray was playing on full hd! while the hd dvd was only on 1080i.
3. I now wish that they made king kong on blu so you can see the diff. for your self.
4. I've compared Mission impossible 3 on both, again blu on 1080p and hd dvd on 1080i, which still pwn you may ask? HD DVD!
So realy j, you got to be truthful, like me for example i didn't want to believe that Hd dvd was better than blu! I went for blu all the way, until i just couldn't help it any more and just admitted that hd dvd is better. And you may think that just because i got a 360 and it supports hd dvd, i'm going for hd dvd. Thats not the case even when i knew that 360 was gonna have hd dvd, i was like, NOOOOO! WHY NOT BLU-RAY INSTEAD! So there you have it.
Ray, how can you sight King Kong as an example when it is not on Blu-Ray? You cannot make that comparison. I just don't know how you can sit there and say Blu looks only somewhat better than STANDARD Cable!! Even is some scenes. Something wrong with those eyes?!? The pic quality is astonishing. It seem that all you have to go off of is what you see in stores. How can you vouch for that? There is no accounting for the components they use, the lighting, etc, etc. This is a highly tuned science. Of course not all Blu's are created equal, unfortunately. Alas it is a brand new technology, so some will have to catch up to get things up to snuff. Once studios stop worrying so much about making a profit off this new tech, and focus more on the quality they put into it, well I know I will be all the happier. I know there are one or two obscure titles out there that could look a BIT better, but that is not Blu's fault but the money hoarding blood-sucking Exec's that run these companys. Well, that's big business for you…
Alright, first off, both look the same, and sound the same. (Depends on what type of TV you have, cable, and surround sound)
Second of, reasons that HD might win, price, and it is just HD. It is the most known.
Reasons that Blue might and looks like it might win are, it comes with the PS3, it has the most supporters. They are as followed
Sony Pictures, Disney, Fox (all 3 biggest box-office winners), Lionsgate, Columbian Pictures, and MGM.
And is already outselling HD in sales for dvds. Wait till the PS3 European launch, that is going to help blue ray out.
TO J,
Yeah i saw the Ultravision by Hitachi, it's nice and all but i still liked the way Panasonics plasmas look better, i also saw a Samsung plasma, and it was pretty close, better than the Hitachi thats for sure. And i'm starting to get convinced that Sony's ps3 and blu-ray products are doing better, altough i still can't see how the graphics on ps3 look better than 360. But i was in circuit city today for like 1 hour just watching the fifth element on full 1080p on a 50" dlp. Let me tell you only the colors and close ups like the faces for example, look very nice, everthing else it only looks somewhat better than standard cable. But overall if hd dvd doesn't get excusives from disney or others, than i will get a ps3 just for some games (mgs4) and for the blu-ray, since it does look somewhat better than dvd. But it still does not compare to hd dvd J it's the honest truth, at circuit city they had king kong playing on a sony xbr (of course not in 1080p because you can't over components with sony tvs) and it looked way better than blu-ray on 1080p.
in regards to (J) the only reason i was a fanboy was because my brother bought tons of nintendo stuff and it was everywhere and just thought my big brother would be smarter than me oh ya i didnt have the internet for a 6month period so i was cut off from all reviews and opinons
on a last note if u get the fiber optic digital cable for a sony sound system it sounds amazing i have s sony sound system i should know maybe youve just heard at analog becease analog on any sound system sucks
i never said that paramount was exclusive to HD DVD but in regeards to MGM it is not a big movie producer at all but disney i think is exclusive to Blu-Ray which sucks because they own Touchstone pictures which doesnt make many but when they do there fairly good like The Gairdian a very good movie and in regards to Rays last entrance i agree fully sony is extremely good believe me i have a sony 1080p tv.
This is in response to ABZ…
First I would like to say I respect you throwing in your two cents here and I hope you expect someone's rebuttal…like mine.
Firstly, saying that you were even once a fanboy of something implies that you get very obsessed and passionate over something to the point where you may not make a rational decision on any cetain topic.
Secondly, in response to movie studio support. Universal IS indeed a force to be reckoned with. They have in their rights some of my favorite films. However, Universal and The Weinstein Company are the only EXCLUSIVE supporters of HD DVD, Paramount and ALL the rest also support Blu-Ray. Not to mention, Sony owns MGM studios which houses THE largest and oldest film library of any studio in the world. So needless to say that Sony has more exclusives under their belt.
Please, for all those that claim that HD DVD looks better than Blu-Ray, stop that. Visually and audibly (with the proper components) there is no detectable difference. THAT is being honest. For those who claim (I've seen this claim on this thread) that Pirates of The Carribean looks better on HD DVD than Blu-Ray, well… Pirates is not yet currently available in ethier format and probably won't be on HD DVD seeing as Disney owns the rights and Disney is a Blu-Ray Exclusive supporter.
It does seem as if the anti-scratch coating on Blu may be a tiny bit thinner however it seems that the general consensus is that the coating is more than enough. Additionally, HD DVD's protective coating is OPTIONAL whereas Blu's is required. I cannot say if any manufacturers have opted to not use said coating, but it is their choice.
On side notes…
Ask anyone that is in the know about sound systems and they will tell you that Sony is not a great choice for your sound needs. In the median sound level that you speak of Yamaha blows Sony away. In the high end I prefer Klipsch, Definitive, Bower's & Wilkins to name a few.
Ray Ray no arguments, but there is a plasma made by Hitachi that comes highly recommended by many electronis pros, the Ultravision 55HDS69, is very nice.
Yeah, of course Sony does make Awesome, no, no wait SPECTACULAR TV'S! I still can't see any other tv that compares to the technology that Sony uses. I'd have to say Samsung would come in, well lets put it this way. In my opinion
Best Lcds = Sony
Best Dlps = Tie between Samsung and Sony's SXRD
Best Plasmas = Panasonic
Best Crts = Sony
i have done my research on both Blu-Ray and HD DVD ihave to be completely honest i think HD DVD will win because of price and the major movie companies behind itUniversal is a huge part of the movie industry and Paramount is growing to become as big as Universal with major hits like Saving Private Ryan one of my favorites and Forrest Gump came from Paramount and the Blu-Ray disc has less surface protection on the disc and Microsoft is huge and every move theve made has been a winner like the Zune i just hope they can take out Apple in themp3 buissness but they will bring Sony to its kness dont get me wrong i love Sony they make the best electronics like tvs and the second best surrond sound makers first would have to be Bose idont care about capacity for movies all i want is the movie and i like the double sided from HD DVD for rooms where i cant aford HD DVD, Blu-Ray would have been perfect if they had released it as media disk to just burn stuff to not as a movie disk and some people are saying its nice to have a full trilogy on one disk but if u scrach that one disk you lose all three movies so thats another thing to thing to think about HD DVD does support 1080p and i love the attchable HD DVD drive for the 360 its awesome for 200 i would have payed 400 for that amazing machine and there of course is someone reading this saying im just a Microsoft fanboy well thats a lie i was a nintendo fanboy but chose to swich between either microsoft or sony after days of research i chose to support Microsoft if you do not have 360 or ps3 chose 360 its far more better and cheaper even nintendo doesnt like sony but they do make excelent tvs
Yes, motorstorm does look great, and the gameplay is a lot of fun. even thought there are only 8 tracks, thats good enough since each one has 3 different ways to take, and usually last at least 4 minutes each.
I can't wait to buy casino royal, crank, pirates of the caribean, and a whole lot more great titles for my PS3 since there graphics are so good. And the sound is amazing. Can't wait till blue ray official wins (since they already won unofficialy) so that my dad buys a seperate Blue ray player other than my PS3 for aour 50 in DLP tv. That should be around the end of this year.
Why waste money on a dvd that costs over a thousand dollars when you can buy 2 seperate dvd players (one blue other hd) for a little bit less. It is stupid.
wow, they put too much hype into Formula 1, and the graphics suck, honestly well the only thing that looks rather cool is the rain, but everything else looks like … i don't even know how to describe it. But anyways, look at forza motorsport 2 now that looks amazing.
I am going to say it again… I am even more impressed with HD DVD when I start putting my old SD DVD's into my Tosh A2 player. Star Wars SD looks AMAZING!!! The 5th Element in SD would be a great example of what I am talking about. Has anyone seen it on Blu Ray? Anyone with a PS3, please be my guest and attempt to try watching an SD DVD with it, and report back to us. To prove my point, I am going to BUY Casino Royale on SD DVD this weekend because my SD upconverted picture is SO DAMN GOOD that I don't care if it doesn't come out on HD DVD.
Yeah, i know what you mean BigRich, blu in full 1080p can look better than a regular dvd but in some stuff, alot of times i don't even see a difference. But oh man i was watching king kong on 1080p thru vga cable on my freinds monitor, now it sucks because his monitor is a 4:3 ratio, so when i put it in 1080p some parts were left off, but what you could see DAMN!! was it amazing, now that was something that you definately can't see in blu-ray, and i'm being honest don't start flaming me. But i'm serious the way it looks in full hd it looks amazing. Well you know how blu doesn't use vc-1 well that could be because it was made by microsoft and well they are prbly being greedy with this one.
Let me clear up any confusion. First I bought the PS3 for the sole reason it was 400 bucks for a 60 gig. No way in hell was I spending the full 650.00. Secondly I was a huge PS2 fan, so I am not sony hater. Now as far as gaming goes teh PS3 still sucks. I only bought it for the Blu ray, I will be gaming for sure on 360.
Now J I did rent Crank (Blu) and the Hulk ( HD DVD). J I have a 1080p Sony SXRD TV. So i got the goods.
Crank looked good, at times though it looked flat. i don't know what it is about Blu but sometimes it just looks normal.
The incredible hulk on the HD DVD add on looks amazing. I don't know what it is. I agree with Ray I think it is the VC-1 Codec. I have been nothing but impressed with HD DVD.
From a personal now unbiased opinion HD DVD just provides a better movie experience. To me whoever wins doesn't really even matter no more, but i want a quality movie experience.
The real reason behind Blu is disney titles. I have to have Pirates on blu, those are must have titles.
So still a believer in HD DVD. Universal is the backbone, they need to start pumping put more movies that wee want. Enough of the se old titles form the 60's.
do you really think that it is just one website? dude, there are tons of websites that are saying the blue ray has a better chance of coming out the winner. Does this means it's true? of course not. It just prove that Blue ray has a ton more advantage and is selling more and HD.
Just because of one site going for it doesn't mean that's the right choice you know, besides blu-ray only won on categories that don't really even matter, the point of these new Hi-def formats is to watch the movies! And they claim that in the image and sound categorie they tie? I think ign was just being nice on that round, because i know for a fact that hd dvd on 1080i looks better than blu-ray on 1080p. I mean of course blu-ray still doesn't use vc1 so when or if they ever do maybe it will look identical if not better than hd dvd, but for now hd dvd is my choice. Don't forget that i did support blu-ray at first, and thought it looked amazing until i saw hd dvd then i just thought spectacular! But you never know when blu-ray can just step it up a notch. Either way if they ever do come up with Total hd then i'll for sure just stick with hd dvd since i already have the add on.
I don't know how i never found that site. since i always look at ign for updates of pretty much anything.
So, at the beginning, i while going for blue ray just because i have a PS3, and because i just like sony.
BUT now, that i read all the site that "J" put up, i am now going for blue ray just becaue it looks like it is the best to buy for 4 out of 5 major catogories.
Sure Microsoft might have Halo, but i still think that the PS3 is the best to buy since it is being udpated frequently. When was the last time that a 360 was updated?
Also, the 360 doesn't have the best technology built into it. Most clearly example that comes to my head is the size of the 360. It is big for what it offers. The PS3, is good in size for the blue ray player inside of it. If it wasn't for the blue ray inside it, it might have almost as small the the "wii".
By my opinion, this is how the contest might look like for a lot of reasons:
PS3, 360, wii at last.
Everyone have a nice day.
IGN attempts an unbiased in-depth look at HD-DVD Vs. Blu-Ray. Check it out then do yourself a favor, research things for yourself and make your own choose…
Is that really you BigRich?!?!? PS3 owner!? For all the crap you've been talking about Sony and PS3, I never would have thought… Well no talk from me about "seeing the light" or some such nonsense, you might possibly be keeping an open mind finally, that is if your not just lying. There should not be any visual difference between HD and Blu, what kind of TV and gear are you viewing them on? Full 1080p and HDMI, as I'm sure you know, is the only way to go. Anyway, try viewing Crank on Blu, it is truly crystal clear.
there really isn't any difference between HD-DVD and BD. except there are going to be better movies for BD. That would be the reason that Disney is would Blue. So far, i see BD kicking HD-dvd badly. That is just in the US. wait till the PS3 comes out in the PAL areas. Mo
Random fact, Motorstorm is great, i am really pleased with it.
It's an honest opnion, HD DVD just looks so much better than Blu. And I am not being biased I am now a proud owner of a 60 gig PS3. I must admit it's a fine piece of machinery. I still think HD DVD looks better and it's off of my 360 add on. Oh and Samsung first backer of BLu just released a lap top with a HD DVD player in it. Is this a sign Samsung will be selling HD DVD players as well? We will see.
Damn, it's been a while huh Bigrich? yeah, i'm glad you can at least be honest with your opinions, thats if you really are being honest. But yeah of what i see right now i'm still not convinced that ps3>xbox 360 or blu-ray>hd dvd. When i do get a ps3 (which is in about a long time from now) i'll make sure to make an honest opinion myself, but for now my honest opinion is Xbox 360>ps3 and Hd dvd>blu-ray, of what i've seen. Man, still no sign of disney for hd dvd? WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR DISNEY!!!!!
Ok ya'll so I have bee gone for a while. Well I just puchased a 60 gig PS3 this past weekend for 400 dollars. Did you ge tthat 400 bucks. I figured it was reasonable. Well I have Talladega nights and bought Xmen 3 on BLu, and my observation? It can't shake a finger to HD DVD. For all of you who don't know I also have 360 plus Add on. It blows the Blu out the water. Any sony fans have any ideas on which title might change my mind? I am open to ideas here. As for now HD DVD over Blu.
Alright i need to state a few facts for the sony fan boys out there. How can you respect a company that makes a system for the sole purpose of winning a format war. I used to love sony hell i was a fan boy and unless hideo kojima declares metal gear for the ps3 and 360(which he probably will) i might end up buying a ps3. But get the facts strait the ps3 is a blu-ray player first and a console second. The thing just released and sales are less than that of the 360. I work at best buy and yes i consider it the leader in consumer electronics and we are currently selling more 360s than ps3s and the 360 has been out for a solid year.
People talk about movies coming out in the future, they must not know just how gigantic universal is. Watch the previews the next time you go to the movies and see how many are universal. This war is far from over and the sole reason blu-ray has surpassed is because of its list of new release titles at the beginning of the year, we will know far more of how this war will go by the middle and end of the year. Back to sony, the only reason our customers are picking up ps3s are for the CHEAP blu-ray player at 600 yes the 20gb has blu ray but you cant find one anywhere and sony's ps3 does not upconvert dvds where a comparable hd-dvd at 500 does. And as for hdmi 1.3 no t.v. currently available supports 1.3 and im sure your going to cash in your brand new t.v. when one does. No, by the time you upgrade a new format will be available and the great ps3 will be out dated. I had to make a choice, plain and simple my budget allowed for a ps3 or the hd add on and a wii. My choice is clear and the only reason i did not get a ps3 was because many of the companies that used to only support sont are now producing for both companies. Point in fact rockstar has signed everything over and after gta 4 is released every title rockstar produces after will be a microsoft only title, plus capcom is making huge success on the 360 with dead rising and lost planet, they would be foolish to release devil may cry for just the ps3. Lastly Virtua Fighter has been a sony base since day one. 1-4 have been and only will be available for sony but now it is on both systems-if sony keeps losing companies like these that annoying "only on 360" sticker will be a lot more apparent. Okay im of my soap box i hope sony crumbles and everyone who dosent have a 360 needs to see the error of their ways. Drunken ogre out
I thought long and hard about the buying the PS3 and blu ray and my sony 40" LCD 1080p tv though not the Bravia. The reason I bought the PS3 was Ihave always loved my Sony and though Xbox 360 has some okay games, I only like shooting monsters or make believe creatures not humans so most games on the 360 eliminated me. PS3 really markets to all ages, and has the games I like coming out. Also PS3 is really looking to be a system for a decade, not a few years. The games themselves will have more room for improvement since they use blu ray, xbox 360 though you can buy the hd add on you can not play games with it in true HD nor do they have plans to. That will the next xbox system which should be out in less than two years. So money wise the PS3 will be cheaper in the long run.
The reason I support Blu Ray is simple, they have the technology for the long run. Most of my equipment lasts a long time, I even have my original PS2 before the box design change. So for at least the next five years I will not need a new dvd player. Also they have tons of room to grow where as the HD system is limited. Also probably the reason the blu ray on that one person's system did not look as good or better was probably due to the fact he did not buy the monster hdmi cord for the PS3. Also Sony will not release any of it's movies on HD and I like Underworld and quite a few of their movies. In the end I went with the player that had the most movies I wanted to see and the technology for the future. I think in the end that will be the deciding factor. Who has the most movies, and the better technology. After all which would you buy a two disc HD movie for $60.00 with tons of extra features or a single disc blu ray with the same amount of extras for $30.00.
As for the TV's, the better quality TV you buy the better the color and engine. Just don't whatever you do, buy a projection tv. The picture quality even in high def is more blury and you will end up saving a little to begin with but spending at least three hundred every two years to replace the bulb. Also looking at the two players I did notice a slight difference with the Blu Ray and HD. Though maybe the HD player could only produce interlaced. By the way Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy looks awesome on my tv.
i watch a dvd once a day and my dvd player still hasn't worn out. and i have had it for at least a couple of years. mabey the type of dvd player you bought just sucked.
HP TV Nut, about the KC article, while the math is correct, the reality may be different. The bottom line is, mass market will never be willing to spend $600 on a DVD player, and the reason most people buy the PS3 is for its gaming capabilities. In that regard, I would rather had the HD DVD add-on for XBOX 360 so my DVD player doesn't burn out.
Now hear me out why. Playing games and playing movies are two different animals. Gaming requires a short reading time while loading, and movies require continous reading for about 2 hours. I suspect that will probably shorten the life of the player significantly if nothing else (more chances for other components to fail, maybe?) Think I am paranoid? I have reasons. I used to watch few DVD's, but since I started on Netflix back in 03 and started watching 3 a week, I have had to buy two new DVD players (Sony and then Philips). Maybe it's coincidence, but that's a chance I wouldn't take with a $600 piece of gaming machine. But a $200 add-on, while certainly not throw-away money, it won't hurt me too deeply either.
But that's just me, right? I probably won't buy either anyway.
I just received my Xbox 360 HD DVD player and the picture quality looks awesome. I have a home theater system with an Epson 200+ PowerLite Projector (720p) that projects onto a 108” diagonal off-white drop down screen. What a huge difference compared to standard DVD when it comes to that size. The picture has now surpassed what I see in the real movie theater. My picture now looks as good as reality so I really can’t ask for more.
I have a Netflix subscription and with their 48 turnaround on movies I really see no reason to buy DVD’s. Therefore I really don’t care who wins “the war”. When a Blu-Ray machine is available for under $200, I’ll pick up one also. I think by this time HD DVD will well be on its way to dominating the consumer market. (maybe not the techno geek market).
I’ve spent many hours surfing the Internet doing research on these technologies. I’m finding so many positive reviews for HD DVD and many negative comments on Blu-Ray. I think the average consumer will do their research before dropping $400+ for a HD DVD player or $800+ for a Blu-Ray player. (no matter what the sales guy says) HD DVD just may come out on top. If or when the market share swings, I don’t think MGM, Fox and Disney will be so loyal to Blu-Ray. Last time I checked; businesses or in business to make money.
I think dvd's had a format war already. Remember dvd+r, -r. Who won? The consumer. DVD burners began to work with all formats. Thus making the +r, -r debate irrelevant. LG is on the right track, but I still hope hd dvd wins, I bought the xbox add on player.
IT IS TRUE! The PS3 CANNOT upscale SD DVD's… Gee it seems like the BD camp wants to really SCREW YOU!!! If you buy a PS3, throw away your old movies and buy them all in Blu-ray $$$$.
I am now, more convinced than ever that my HD DVD purchase was worth it! I'm gonna pick up an Xbox next week too `cause GoW ROCKS!!!
Can someone with a PS3 tell me how well it upconverts an SD DVD??? Can it? If no, then that would explain how they got it into the PS3's for cheap… How did we ALL miss that one?
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/living/16691193.htm
GAME SYSTEMS: CHEAPER WAYS TO WATCH HIGH-DEF DISCS
Sony’s PlayStation 3 has an integrated Blu-ray Disc player ($599). Analysts say this could give Blu-ray Disc the edge it needs in the format war because it’s built into the gaming system. For it to work more like a movie disc player, buy a remote control ($25) and an HDMI cable ($7 on up). One drawback to using PS3 is that it will not improve the quality of standard DVDs.
If you have Microsoft’s Xbox 360 system ($399), you can buy an external HD DVD player component ($199), which comes with a remote control. The player and the drive don’t have an outlet to accommodate an HDMI connection, which will affect quality. They use an HD AV cable instead. If you have the Xbox 360 core system ($299), you’ll need to buy a HD AV cable ($40).
ummm, just because of the ps3 man! and no shit it's gonna have alot of pre-orders just like in japan and the us, but after a while you'll see the sales going down, just like the way they are now.
Your right the war between hd dvd and blue-ray is over. and blue ray won. thanks to the next gen console ps3. which is having the most uk preorders in history. beating xbox 360 6 times of preorders and beating the wii by 15 times. this is going to make the blue ray war even clearer that blue ray is going to win. if dont believe then check it out by yourself.
what happend to everyone? is it official that hd dvd is the best, and blu-ray fanboys finally left! WOW!! well i guess, the war is over between hd dvd and blu-ray in this blog.
yeah, i'm not against sony at all, just there ps3 and blu-ray, they both failed me, but boy do i love sony tv's i think thats their strongest products, like my uncles tv is a 32" triniton flat screen crt, sony wega otherwords, and i played gears of war on it…damn it made it look like you don't need know 1080p tv, as well as king kong i hd dvd on the same tv, it comes to life.
Nothing against sony, they make realy good products, but its hard to trust a company that forces you to buy 2 or 3 of the same system in ts 5 year life-span I went through it with PS1 and PS2, but will not with PS3
Man I'm pretty convinced after watching that,sounds like sony is trying to rule the world, they're getting a cut in every single direction, down with bue-ray.
Now this guy explains it perfect, i don't think neone could of said it better themselves, watch and see whats what.http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_blog/archive/2007/02/08/106130.aspx
Check this out, this is proof of hd dvd being the consumers format, while br is for supporting studios. http://crunchgear.com/2007/02/08/blu-ray-shafts-us-one-mans-conspiracy-theory/#comment-96682
To show off the TV and HD DVD player, I usually treat my friends to Grand Prix… The picture is SO F…ing REAL! If you have this movie, at the beginning, take alook at the scratches in the wrenches and look closely at the tires on the cars as they are rolled onto the grid. You will understand what I am saying.
My wife was watching Phantom of the Opera on my (our) HD-A2 last night and she found the in-movie menus easy to use and best of all she could continue to watch the movie while she was navigating them. This is the first time in 2 months that she has ever picked up the Harmony 880 remote and attempted to play an HD DVD. She thinks that the money I spent($500) was worthwhile for the ease of use alone! I am lucky she does not like chick flicks, but unlucky that she likes musicals… We played around with Dolby TrueHD, but my receiver does not have 5.1 analog inputs. Next Xmas I will look for an HDMI receiver that supports TrueHD. The sound was AMAZING!!!
You got to be smoking some serious lawn clippings if you back Blu ray. It's going to be a real bummer to all you herb smokers if Blu ray wins. Your going to have to save aup 1,000 dollars in order to enjoy Hi Def movies. Which mean by time you purchase a movie you will not have any more money to spend on your DO DO smoke. I mean cause your going to need soem sort of stimulation in order to enjoy the crap movies Blu ray puts ou.t
Dude i don't smoke, and you must be going down with a case of downsyndrom to say that blu-ray has better visuals…Thanks to it's sucky ass visuals, it made me change to hd dvd, and toshiba won an award for best visual and audio, so don't say things just cus your a fanboy, speak the truth
I thought I better come back to see how things are going. The 360 overheating thing does have some truth to it. They do get pretty warm. The thing that is bogus is the claims that Microsoft won't do anything about it. My 360 was freezing up so I called them and they sent me a pre-paid box to send it back in and in two weeks I had a brand new 360 (not repaired) on my doorstep. It didn't cost me a penny! I don't know how they could do better than that! Plus if anyone paid to get a console repiared, a check is on the way to refund the cash! Microsoft is serious about keeping customers happy. They've got the cash to back up their products.
Blu is not out seling 3-1 it was 2-1. Stop stretching the truth. Two that was only for the first two weeks of the year, whoopdie doo. Thirdly the sole reason behind this? The PS3. Don't you see what Sony is doing? There are no good games for the PS3, none! So it's swaying the gamers to go out and buy Blu ray movies. That's it! Good for movies, bad for those hard core gamers who want to play good games.
Blu is not out seling 3-1 it was 2-1. Stop stretching the truth. Two that was only for the first two weeks of the year, whoopdie doo. Thirdly the sole reason behind this? The PS3. Don't you see what Sony is doing? There are no good games for the PS3, none! So it's swaying the gamers to go out and buy Blu ray movies. That's it! Good for movies, bad for those hard core gamers who want to play good games.
blue ray is better man. what have you been smoking ray? i mean i love hd, but facts say and visuals say that blue ray is better. why do you think blue ray is selling more dvds than hd-dvd and winning 3-1. that's embarassing.
oh well, sooner or later, blue ray will be announced as the winner officially since it is already annouced a winner but not officialy.
oh and don't say that i'm just backing hd dvd cus i have it…no, not at all like i posted along time ago, i was a blu-ray fan, until i saw that hd dvd is better, i mean i want stuff that's worth it, not stuff because i'm a "fanboy"
The boston you must need glasses or better glasses, don't get mad now, but Blu-ray via hdmi still sucks compared to hd dvd via component, i was watching (at best buy) a blu-ray player with hdmi at 1080p watching a clip of pirates of the caribean and let me tell you i have pirates on dvd and when i played it upconverted with my hd dvd add on i promise you it looks so much (if not Better)like that clip with the blu-gay
I have both Blu-ray and HD-DVD as I have both the PS3 and the XBox 360. From what I've seen, the Blu-ray is better; quicker menus, better picture, and better sound. However, it should be noted that my PS3 is outputted to HDMI and the XBox 360 doesn't have that capability.
I've also noticed that the HD-DVD has a wider selection of movies while the Blu-ray has the better prices (on the movies). I read a lot of people talking about the dual HD-DVD with both standard and HD copies of the movie on one disc, but those are priced at $37.99 and up…F that! I don't care how good the picture and sound is, I will not spend $40 (with tax) on a friggin dvd.
Good point. But that is what Sony wants, pure dominantion. No option for you but to get a Blu Ray player.
This article hit a vital point. The ability of hd-dvd to have the movie on reg dvd too. I play it at home on my hd-dvd and then my wife can watch the same movie on the plane on her lapop. Blu ray requires EVERY ONE to have a blu ray player, when there are millions of reg dvd players out there already. Blu ray is a goner
Come on disney, please start releasing hd dvd compatible movies!! my 3 yr. old bro. would love to see his shrek or w/e clear as crystal. I mean don't they want the $$ disney isn't doing a smart move here, and for sure sony pic. will prbly stay greedy for ever and never release spiderman on hd dvd, only hope is total hd, but if they could all get along, then everything would just be great!! I bet sony is just still mad losing to vhs! and want revenge..but sony this isn't jvc, this is toshiba..i mean come on you two came up with the cell processor!!!!!!!!!
Oh guys sorry to do this to you guys, but i purchased a ps3 last night, and let me tell you i don't know whats wrong with me, or what i saw, but now the truth is to be revealed…Ps3 grfx are so much better than 360's resistance, is the shit, and blu-ray, way more better than hd dvd, as of now my 360 is going towards to e-bay or eb games, my hd dvd add on is going back to best buy, and i'm sticking to playstation 3, it's the way to go, but i'll sure miss 360
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………SIKES, I BET I HAD YOU PS3 AND BLU-RAY FANBOYS!! HELL NO THATS NOT ABOUT TO HAPPEN..360 IS TRULY BETTER, NOT IN FANBOY WAY, IN A TRUTHFULL WAY!! AND HD DVD IS STILL WAY BETTER, AS I WRITE I'M WATCHING FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, AND EVEN THIS MOVIE LOOKS AWESOME.
hd dvd your gay stfu man no body else say's anything about my opinion of a tv, and if you have such a life, then y do you spend it replying to our comments negatively? and how come you keep comming back? Cus your the one with out the life and you don't know truth, the truth is that your a sony hd dvd hater who likes to argue, and who argues? FAGGOTS LIKE YOU!
ray that is the stupidest thing i ever herd why the fuck do i care about your tv the and the only reason i keep on saying you guys have no lives is because i like to tell the truth unlike bigrich 'i went to college' BS YOU FAILED FUCKING KINDERGARDEN U DUMB ASS now im gonna leave this thing before it completely consumes my life like its done to the two of you.
yeah, man the tv i'm planning to get is a bravia xbr or somthing like that 40" and yeah it's a sweet tv.
Ray,
Nice bro yeah make sure you get Batman Begins HD, man that movie is hot on HD. Yeah that sounds like a really sweet TV. My friend just picked up a 47in Bravia series lcd and says it's off the hook. Yeah man don;t bother with that HD DVD gay guy, he's just s lil punk. Yo bro see you on gears this week.
HD-DVD talk about lame jokes, all you say is "Your a loser with no life" and "you have lame jokes" how about stop changing the subject and keep backing your precious blu-gay! And i can easily see that your a kid, saying lame ass crap such as "Rich and Ray must have gay sex every night" ummmmm…can i guess your 10? maybe 12 no older than that. Alright i ain't gonna bother with this 10 yr. old nemore. Hey Bigrich guess what man?? i finally got my add on hd-dvd!! damn king kong looks awesome! You don't see blurryness around ppl's faces such as blu-ray players do. (to proof that i'm no sony hater) I'm getting a sony lcd tv 1080p, i know it won't support it on xbox 360 but 720p is just fine, and i love that tv.
I read the Blu Ray specs early last year and said WOW! I was less than impressed with the TRUE results and the price. What all of the poor PS3 owners have to realize is that they are now STUCK with a GEN1 player in their game console!!! I can see the Sony ads now… upgrade your PS3 to GEN2 for only $400.00… OUCH!!! HD DVD won me over in head to head picture quality and price at Best Buy on the same TV with the same movie… Blu Ray still has to add interactive menus… maybe by GEN3 2009? I just received my first firmware update for my HD-A2 GEN2 HD DVD player and installed it, a very EASY process. Please ask Sony IF firmware updates will be available for GEN1 players… I own about 10 HD DVD movies, plus the 3 free movies that Toshiba sent me. My HD-A2 upconverts so well that I will not mind RENTING SD movies that the other studios only put out on Blu Ray… and I will buy the new releases that I want on HD DVD.
How about we look at the fact the Toshiba HD-XA1 won best product of 2006 from Sound and Vision the worlds largest tech magazine. I think that holds more sway than a 2 weeks sales scan post the holiday season and far more relevant.
Everyone needs to look at this.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156920
listen man these gay ass jokes are starting to bore me u dont even have nuts to be on u are a pathetic exuses for a human being and if u went to college and got a degree then get a job and get off the internet u loser fuck u make me lagh.
HD DVD YOUR GAY HA HA HA HA. I can't believe how much you are on my nuts right now. Look here bro I don't appreciate another male swinging on my nuts so I suggest you bark up another tree. Bro you are the tru definition of a hater. Hatin on me, and my boy Ray. Are you angry cause you can't make friends fool? Why you so strun gup on what I do. Let's put it this way. When and if, which I doubt, you go to college like I did. You can get a Job, and no Gay bitch not like a mcdonalds job, and chill and get paid to surf the internet. But in your case the only thing I see for you , is asking people " Do you want fries with that?" Hey someone has to cook my double cheese burgers why not a loser like you. The whole time you have been here you have said nothing to back BLu, you have been nothing but a punk. But hell where would the worl be with out lil Faggots like you. I mean I got to knock somebody's teeth out right?
Look bro quit hatin cause your minimum wage job is not allowing you to game in the next generation. But hey if you wait around Sony is already cutting prices for the PS3 maybe soon enough you can own one then put your foot in your mouth when you find out how Shitty it is. Ray is right o, what a shitty name you picked as your blogger name. HD DVD your gay do me a favor, there is a clean up needed on isle 14, take care of that. Don't hate on the look and sound of perfect. Ray is right HD DVD performs, wins awards. So does the 360. Sony and PS3 just sits there and gets raped by Nintendo. Be gone with your gay self.
OMFG HOLY SHIT big rich listen man i actually took the time to scroll through this thing and see how many times uve posted a comment at first i was just talking crap about u having no life and all that stuff but uve posted since DECEMBER 27 thats 37 days and uve posted like three times a day thats 111 times now i am freaking assured that u have no life there is nothing u can say i have solid proof the best thing u can do is freaking admit it to your self that you are both gay and a loser with no life and just cry ureself to sleep.
lmfao i bet big rich and ray have gay sex every nigtht and big rich no mater how much u want it to happen there will never be a markus pheonix/master cheif porno and what is with the lame ass jokes 'the short bus' cmon man u got nothing better and i may be here early but its better than being here evey day of my life. I sorta feel bad for u whan every body else is having fun and going to the movies your posting gayb ass coments with the lamest jokes i ever hrd of.
Check this out.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156920
HD-DVD is gay your the dumbass noob here, i never said anything about The site being fanboy because blu-ray is winning??? i said the site is a ps3 fanboy because it said "ps3 the greatest console ever" your such a dipshit just like rich said stop posting here because you make no sense, and stop saying that ppl that post here alot are losers with no life, your the no life loser for being a fanboy and getting mad over comments, i bet you don't even know the definition of fanboy, saying that i'm one. Boy stfu before i find you and put you under a rock myself, noob faggot. And your the fanboy as well for choosing your name as "HD-DVD IS GAY" Dude no matter if blu-ray is outselling hd-dvd, hd dvd will always remain the look and sound of perfect, dude toshibas player even won an award for the best sound and image. So go fuck your urself in the asshole and realize that your the only whos gay here. ….FAGGOT!
HD-DVD is gay your the dumbass noob here, i never said anything about The site being fanboy because blu-ray is winning??? i said the site is a ps3 fanboy because it said "ps3 the greatest console ever" your such a dipshit just like rich said stop posting here because you make no sense, and stop saying that ppl that post here alot are losers with no life, your the no life loser for being a fanboy and getting mad over comments, i bet you don't even know the definition of fanboy, saying that i'm one. Boy stfu before i find you and put you under a rock myself, noob faggot. And your the fanboy as well for choosing your name as "HD-DVD IS GAY" Dude no matter if blu-ray is outselling hd-dvd, hd dvd will always remain the look and sound of perfect, dude toshibas player even won an award for the best sound and image. So go fuck your urself in the asshole and realize that your the only whos gay here. ….FAGGOT!
HD DVD your gay is there a flippin echo in hear? Do people not pay attention to you in real life so you have to repeat yourself to get attention. What happened, your on here kind of early today, did the short bus leave you behind? HD DVD YOUR GAY just because mom and dad regret the day they concieved your lame A$$ doesn't give you the right to come and bother us. Why do you even come in this blog for? Why are you even alive? Think about it. Your useless, kind of like the lint in my pockets. Your there but I don't know why. Why don't you go crawl under a rock and die bro? Do the world a favor and castrate yourself. McFly anybody home McFly? You lil squirt go stick your tongue in a power socket.
um ray ure triying to say ure not a fanboy u are the fucking definition of one just because the site says they think blu ray will win they are fanboys well that makes no sense u are a noob
ouch well bigrich it looks like i hit a nerve geuss it was only a matter of time befor the truth came out so go get ure own place u 40 year old faggot man u have no life and by the way im a dead dog u say how lame is that man go get some freinds and stop posting coments on this thing man its been four weeks do u realize how much of a loser that makes you.
ouch well bigrich it looks like i hit a nerve geuss it was only a matter of time befor the truth came out so go get ure own place u 40 year old faggot man u have no life and by the way im a dead dog u say how lame is that man go get some freinds and stop posting coments on this thing man its been four weeks do u realize how much of a loser that makes you.
ouch well bigrich it looks like i hit a nerve geuss it was only a matter of time befor the truth came out so go get ure own place u 40 year old faggot man u have no life and by the way im a dead dog u say how lame is that man go get some freinds and stop posting coments on this thing man its been four weeks do u realize how much of a loser that makes you.
Oh come on, gizmodo say's they caught up and of course because via ps3, but WTF? crunchgear is nothing but a sony fanboy website, that website has no proof or nothing that was bullshit! lfjdobnfh i suggest you find some real proof before you post shit like that up! "the greatest console ever" thats exactly what it said on that sony fanboy bullshit site. Face it sony got lucky with br just cus of the gaystation 3! And don't you guys fucking dare call me a fanboy because i ain't no fanboy, like i said i go by facts and stuff that is worth, like i said before i went for ps3 now i despise the mothafucka.
LOL, gizmodo what a PS3 fan boi. This war is far from over what ever your name is. Blu ray sold more titles because it rushed out the PS3 piece of crap, and gave it no games. Now that the Piece of Crap 3 sales are decreasing, the Blu disc sales will level out. The thing is HD DVD is selling hardwar, stand alone players. Blu ray is duping people into buying a 600 gaming system, and using it as a DVD player. This news is not a sign of the end, it's just that Sony is using it's gaming audience to boost it's format. Poor people, thankfully I have a 360 with some bad ASS games. Don't have to sit and look at it wondering what i can do with it. I can play games,a nd watch bad ass movies. HD DVD and Universal are releasing 100 titles this year. the game is not over. Sony is going to run out of movies to put out watch. I mean they came out with saw 1, 2, and 3. What's the rush? HMMMMM trying to get people to buy as fast as possible. Could it be cause they are heading towards bankruptcy?
Check this out. The HD-DVD and Blue ray is almost over!! Finally.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-gaining-ground-on-hd-dvd-233151.php
Don't believe it, check this one out.http://crunchgear.com/2007/02/01/the-war-is-over-blu-ray-outselling-hd-dvd/
Wow, i can't belive that toshibas hd-ax1 won the years bes sound and vision player! well actually what am i saying i do belive it…Ok everyone stop arguing over ps3 and xbox 360, because the truth is that (gfx wise) pc will win, now with dx 10 and new gfx cards by nvida and ati….i wouldn't argue about ps3 and 360's gfx anymore.
Etienne don't you know HD DVD has a 51 gig disc? Yeah take a look into HD DVD, you'll be more than happy. Don't fall for Blu and what they have to say on paper, go after performance, and that is what HD DVD is giving.
be a man and support the best format out there HD DVD. I have own both players hd dvd and blue ray and trust me you wnat hd dvd.
Well, I'm from Germany and think that the Blue Ray System will take the first Rank.As you can see, my English is not so good. This is because of that I began learning English with 11. Now I'm 14 and it's not so easy as you think it is. But Back the the HD DVD and theBlue-Ray-Disc. The Blue-Ray-Disc has got more storage, so it can hold mor video or Data then the HD DVD with 15, 20, 25 or 30 Gig's. The Blue has got 50, and that is a lot. Think about it: Up to 12.500 songs it´s nearly so big the my 80Gig iPod. That's unbelieveable.
Read this Microsoft interview on HD DVD vs Blu Ray… Pretty interesting read, unless you are Blu Ray brainwashed…
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/feature_microsofthddvdinterview.html
"Blu Ray is a few years behind on adding "In-Movie Experience" Ouch… Anyone want to bet that Disney is the first to switch sides…
From the Microsoft article:
"our focus on the customer…
We didn't want to hold up a fantastic gaming platform only so that one day, you could watch HD DVD movies on it."
"We opted to give consumers that choice. The nice thing, too, is that you get two drives now — so you don't wear out your primary drive watching movies. You can put your movie in one drive, your game in another, and get instant access to both."
I know I have heard all of these comments from posters somewhere on this page…
HD DVD your gay hey welcome back. Is girl scout camp over with so soon? Wel sorry to burst your bubble but I wont be buying any of your mint cookies this year.
HD DVD your gay I have come to the conclusion that your existance is equal to that of a dead dog on the side of the road. There was no brians before it died and there is lesseven now. I am surprised you even know how to work a keyboard. Actually I am very proud of you. What's next? Shaving yeah that would be cool huh? HD DVD your gay you obviously aint got much to do either accept sit in front of your computer watching rap videos, while working on your rhyming skillz. Son get out of here, go learn how to tie your shoes or something. AS far as playuing gears, yeah I'll probably bust on it tonight. Too bad you don't got a 360, I'd put a bullet in your head.
HD DVD rules.
P.S. Sony PS3 is not selling like hotcakes… It was an artificial demand. If you go to any store (BestBuy, GameStop, Target, etc.), there are many out of there to buy. The demand is gone (Wii is still in high demand and short on supply).
Though most of the issues there are no games and price. The artificial demand does not equate people thinking Blu-Ray is better. It is a Sony PS3. It is a game console. (I have all 3 consoles XBox 360, Wii, and PS3 60GB so do not go there about being bias).
Lastly, in my view HD DVD will win just on the lead it has, cost of production, and those supporting Blu-Ray are not those who care to protect their interest of content than best for the consumer
I hear everyone here talking about Blu-Ray is the bomb. But the reality is, the most edgy and capacity format does not always win the war..
Do I need to talk about Token Ring vs Ethernet
Beta vs. VHS
The reality is the cost of production, backward compatibility, and support wins the war.
Right now, the articles states some of the obvious. Not saying all the information in the article is correct but there are relevance.
1) Blu-Ray holds more storage but it is more of a proprietary format that provide more $$$ for the manufacturers. Though it could hold more storage, it is expensive (and will be over HD DVD no matter how much lower the price goes down)
2) Again, cost of HD DVD plant is close to negligible if they already have existing plant of current formats (in comparison to Blu-Ray). This will swayed to HD DVD
3) Content is not much of a difference between the format. BTW, just because you have more capacity for storage does not equate the content will be better. Also, more content to read off the Blu-Ray require the machine to have a faster spinning and reading capability (That is why your player as well as recorder makes a big deal, let alone the media format).
Lastly, Stop with the Microsoft hating because I could hate more on Sony (especially their awful tech support, customer service, and their moves to control the content format of the future). This has nothing to do with who supports but rather what it offers currently. If there is no difference in content, then it all comes down to COST!
big rich first of all u have to be the biggest 360 fan boy i have ever seen in my life second man just go get a life how long have u been on this stupid thing like 4 weeks i mean are u ever planning of having a social lfe or getting laid or do u preffer living with your mom and playing gears of war for the rest of your life
YEAH GO BLOW A GARDEN GNOME U BAD PS3 LOOSERS CAUSE THE TRUTH IS THE PS3 AND BD IS ALREADY HALF DEAD LETS SEE HOW MUCH WORST ITS GONA GET FOR SONY IN THE NEXT 5 MONTHS TIME TO BUY SOME SONY SHARES AND HD DVDS I RECKON § BUY LOW SELL HIGH MOVE WITH THE TIMES AND BE HONEST !
Tim,
that's the word on the street with the PS3. Game developers love the 360's platform. I am glad I invested in the 360, and HD DVD add on. I am already in the HD generation. I wouldn't waste my money on the PS3 or Blu right now. They have not shown me anything as a consumer.
Talking about developers of games for ps3. I have a lady at work and her mom is a game developer and says that programming for ps3 and blue ray tech sucks. Stay with the best xbox360 and hd dvd.
Sony profit takes plummit. Ps3 sales down, Sony looking to cut the price even further. I have an idea, just throw the dam thing out the window and start over.
ok, you sony fanboys enjoying your fanboy wagon, just listen to carmack on this vid. He the genious himself say's that sony made a mistake with the cell, and ….nvm just watch this and see ppls comments, like one posted "fuck carmack, he's a fucking xbox fanboy" lol, lmao! ps3 fanboy is just mad..ok heres the link and see the truth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8
Ray don't even waste your breathe with these PS3 fan boyz. Save you ebergy for GOW online. That's all that really matters. PS3 will never see the liking of games like GOW, or Halo. Thankfully though all their exclusive titles will be coming to a 360 near you. PS3 First party developers already admitted that it sucks developing for PS3, and they look forward to working on the 360.
i know, ps3 isn't using 25% of it's power, that's false, the game resistance itself uses i think 6 of te spe's and there's only one more to be used, since the eigth is gonna be unlocked for something else, and fact is that the tri core symetrical processor works similiar to the cell, execpt that since it's two threads per core, it's know to have six conventional processors, like the cell, it works on loading, physics, blah blah. The point is 360 is more than enough power and developers can work with it just fine. Thats why ps3 is counting on first party developers, to make ppl think that it has the better gfx. But look at forza 2's grapichs, they look almost the same as ps3's first party formula 1…..enough said.
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Your the biggest idiot I have ever heard of bro. You Write
I only wish that the games that are made right now had next gen technology since the game right now oly use 25% of the PS3's power for graphics.
Is that what they are telling you? Is that the excuse for the games being shtty? And who are you to call the Wii a piece of shit? That system might be the death of the PS3 for all we know it. What ever your name is, get a 360. Runs great, has the power, and no excuses the games are great.
NUHN
who the hell are you and why are you accusing me of claiming the 360 over heats? Bro I have been in this blog since day one backing up the 360 and HD DVD format. How are you to come im here and throw me under the bus for something I did not say. Of course i got a 360 "SON" all you have to do is ask Ray. We bust gears of war online all the time. I never had an over heating issue what so ever. And I have the HD DVD ADD ON, more than likely way longer than you did. So bro do not come in here calling people out when you do not know what the hell your talking about.
the overheating problems for the 360 is true, i have a ton of friends that had that problem. my nintendo 64 never heated up, my sega genisis never heated up, my PS2 never heated up, my gamecube (waste of money) never heated up, and my PS3 never heated up. the only one that i see that had the heated up problem was the 360, in fact i wonder if microsoft still has that deal that they will repair the 360 for free like they did a couple of years ago. Even the gay a** wii didn't heat up. I only wish that the games that are made right now had next gen technology since the game right now oly use 25% of the PS3's power for graphics. Oh well only a matter of time.
Hey BigRich……..have you ever owned a 360??? Or talked to actual owners of the system???? Apparently not if you think that qoute "All the 360's overheated in the first 1-2 months"……ROFLMAO!!!!!! Ha! no one I know or have ever played with on XBox Live have ever had that problem!!!
The overheating wasn't an issue to owners of 360's if they weren't idiots. My original Nintendo overheated more as a child than my 360 has in the past year and change. Every single system needs the proper amount of airflow and space in order not to overheat. And I've never had my 360 overheat since I got mine a month after it's release date. The problem with the 360 is it's other systems that process the info from the disc, not overheating! Please get your facts straight before knocking on something you apparently know nothing about!!!
Also all my HD-DVD's play all the Special Features in 480i/p no higher.
Also the 360 already plays in HD, though I haven't tried sticking my HD-DVD in the console because I bought the add-on. And it does play regular DVD's in 480p.
Though the only thing that angers me about the 360 is the fact that the console needs to be on in order for the HD-DVD drive to play.
I honestly don't care who wins the battle over HD DVD's, Blu-ray or HD-DVD. As long as Sony doesn't do their usual jacking up the price of certain items because they think they're the sh*t. Honestly the only advantage I've seen Blu-ray have over HD-DVD is the capacity……..that's ALL, nothing more. So I honestly don't care who wins the battle as long as Sony doesn't jack the price up if they win like they usually do.
And honestly the battle will be won by the version that sell more copies, nothing else will decide the battle between the 2.
omg bigrich u are such a loser your still here youve been talking about the same thing for like a week u obviously have no life holy crap lmfao
yeah, i know, sam's club sells everything for a lower cost. Like they had a bundle for 360, included 2 wireless, and everything you get with the premium, media remote, and a game, for about 425 or something like that i don't remeber. Well gonna get on gears!! See you there rich…if you get on.
I found the Xbox 360 HD DVD player add on for $183.00 dollars at Sams Club today with the bonus King Kong movie inside.I have the 360 add on and I think it is great.Why F–K up my gaming consoles laser reader for movies.And King Kong looks awsome by the way.And I only have a 720p tv monitor
I am glad I could make you laugh Ray. Actually no i do not think my TV supports 1080p through component. And yeah thats the big dog that shines at night when we bust on that gears. Yeah Sony does make really good tv's. Heck of expensive, but nice though. I have not heard of the SED TV's going to have to look it up. See you tonight on that gears.
Damn, rich you make me laugh..sony sxrd (at least sony does make good tv's), blah, blah, then 8inch schlong! LMAO!!
Good one but i didn't really need to know.
Oh and with your add on, does your sony tv support 1080p via component? cus i've heard that sony tv's don't support it. But if it does badass. Is that the tv that you play gears with?
Have you guys heard of the new SED tv's? that will kill a plasma and lcd put together! I wanna get one, i saw a pic of it and damn the clarity is awesome, but what is more awesome is the colors, TRue black! and by rich i mean rich ass colors.
HP don't really have any experience. i only have the HD DVD Add on which i think you need teh VGA to upconvert. But I just use the components which work great! Probably by mid to end of the year i might look into getting a toshiba HD DVD player. But for now HD DVD ADD ON is awesome for me. As far as teh PS3 goes, I could very possibly never own one of those. Considering most if not all their good games are cross platform i really see no reason to buy one of those boxes of junk. If BLU wins than 360 should make an add on and that would be fine with me.
I was watching "The Hills Have Eyes" last night on my Toshiba HD-A2. It was doing a beautiful job of upconverting the SD DVD, almost flawless in fact! Anyone else notice the quality of later SD releases upconverted on HD DVD players? Tonight I will try "The Aviator" I am VERY VERY happy with my HD-DVD player and I look forward to buying a new one and using this one on the older HDTV upstairs. Hey, for the price of one first gen Blu-ray player I will be able to buy one 2nd gen and one 3rd gen HD DVD player! I will also be buying an Xbox 360, but I will not buy a PS3 until they drastically improve the quality of their games.
HD DVD needs to go kick Disney's door down and smack them around a bit. I need some disney movies on HD DVD. If they want to make money, why not use the HD DVD format. Thanfully Universal anounced another 100 titles for the 2007 year, and still exclusively backs HD DVD.
BigRich
SONY 50in SXRD-
XBOX 360
HD DVD ADD ON
PIONEER 1000 Watt system
8in Schlong
Chuck i have seen teh interactive menus, and HD DVD's are really cool. So there is no argumne t there. If anything from what the reviewers say Blu has not really produced the interactive menus they promised.
Xbox 360 HD-DVD DOES do 1080p if you use the VGA cables or component cables (1080p via component depends on the tv).
Who care about interactive menus? blu ray and hd dvd will have the SAME video quality at 1080p or 1080i or 720p and hd dvds are now triple layre which means they can hold around 50GB!
jfalhfsdifasl (name generated by random finger spasms on keyboard?) and all the others arguing about the price comparision. Nobody is denying PS3 is a good deal, in fact, so good that Sony is losing between $240 – $300 on each unit on manufacturing cost alone.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20061120132150.html
The reason I am leaning toward getting the XBOX 360 + (potentially) HD-DVD is that I actually like it being a separate unit and Vista-compatible for my gaming PC as well. Unlike gaming, watching DVD requires constant work on the part of the player and that takes quite a toll on the fagile laser head. DVD players notoriously have short life spans, and I have trashed a Sony and a Philips in last 3 or 4 years, but they didn't cost me $600 each. Last thing I need is for DVD-watching to screw up my gaming console so I can do neither. If need to be, I would be a lot more open to replace a $200 add-on unit than a $600 unit, or even do a mail-it-in warranty repair (we all love those, don't we?)
I have a 720p/1080i-compatible LCD TV, and I am a gamer. But I will tell you what I won't do, I won't let some big company shove something I don't necessarily want to me on the back of a gaming console. To fully enjoy it, they are trying to have me getting ANOTHER, MORE EXPENSIVE 1080p TV? Get real and get lost.
jfalhfsdifasl, the point being is that the add on hd dvd is an option only if you need, not like ps3 that is forcing you to buy it and what if you don't need it? then that a waste of an extra 200$, and say that you have a cheap 480i tv and then you decide to get a badass 1080i or 1080p tv and then you can decide to get the add on. So thats how you save money, not just waste 600$ right out of you wallet.
Last time i checked the Xbox HD-DVD was 200 dollars, and with the 360 at 400 it would be the same as a PS3. So don't talk about money, because both would cost the same price.
Last time i checked the Xbox HD-DVD was 200 dollars, and with the 360 at 400 it would be the same as a PS3. So don't talk about money, because both would cost the same price.
You know what really decides who will win? Easy! $$$ and more $$$. There are many Blu Ray supporters here but few seem to have stated actually owning a Blu Ray player, yet the XBOX add-on HD-DVD player seems incredibly popular among posters. Though a separate unit, it actually has quite significant advantages: able to hook up with Vista PCs; users not having to worry about gaming console malfunction due to excess DVD reading.
I haven't taken the plunge yet and am still deciding, but if I were to pick one right NOW, I'd have to go with HD-DVD via XBOX 360.
Blu Ray supporters, if you actually want to see Blu Ray win, regardless what your reasons might be, you better go out and let your pocket books do the talking as opposed to your keyboards.
yeah, Gears is the sh*t, hey Bigrich it was fun on live last night! KILL! i'm getting better and i barely got gold back. Til next time on live, later
HPTVNut
Yeah why use you game system for movies? Only reason I can think of is because the games are weak. That is why I like the Add on for 360. Strictly for gaming purposes. I agree with your Gears is the coolest game since Halo and on a lot of areas better. But you know Halo 3 is going to be ridiculous. I had the same experience with fall of man. After a few minutes I put it down. i just wasn't impressed. Maybe I am spoiled from gears of war. I look forward to all the releases this year, doesn't matter which platform. It's a good year to be a gamer. Especially on the 360.
Let's go back to what we all should know by now. HD DVD and Blu Ray, two different technologies, both giving 1080p output. Yes Blu Ray has more capacity today, yes HD DVD players costs less to buy, today, and the disks cost less to manufacture. HD DVD is Gen2 already and Blu Ray is still Gen1. PS3 vs Xbox, this one is funny… Why do you buy one gaming console vs another? Because you can play movies on it? Because the player can support more capacity? I bet that $15B per year in console gaming software is a much more compelling reason. Gears of War has to be the coolest game since Halo. Resistance looks great in the trailer but just does not have the same smooth defined look and feel of Gears, I have a friend who has both on the same TV so I got to do a head to head comparison. Sony claims 1M PS3's sold, how many Xbox 360's have been sold? Buy your console for gaming. If it happens to play the movies you want to see, and if you want to use it to watch movies, great! Personally, I want my game console to play games and my DVD player to play movies… funny, my computer can do both, but I NEVER watch movies on my computer, even with a 23" LCD monitor!
OK, PS3 not as impressive as I thought the first time that I heard about it. But it is still better than the 360 in a way, what does the 360 have that the PS3 doesn't have. The graphics on the 360 are the same as on the PS3 and the PS3 just came out around 2 months ago while the 360 has had around 1 year to improve glitches. Not to forget that all the 360s overheated on the first 1 or 2 months of release date. The PS3, as an owner of a PS3, it workes perfectly, online gaming great, graphics great (extremely dissapointed on call of duty 3 though), a like the SixAxis, and blue ray is a nice add on. The PS3 hasn't shut down on me afte 2 months of playing at least 4-5 hours on it daily (my brother, my dad, myself). Only bad thing I see about PS3 is, it attracts dust like hell! Jeez i got to wipe it off every 2 days. it starts to be a pain.
Blue ray is great, for $600 dollars for a gaming system plus blue ray, great price. Think about it, 360 which is still 400 in some places, add 200 for blue ray, you get a 60GB PS3 or 100 for blue ray, you get 20GB PS3.
Thats all i got to say for now.
Ever heard of the Diamond Series Mitsubishi TV? It's nothing special, just the name. Honestly it sounds as if a thick coted layer like that might not be good for movie viewing. Sounds like you could get some pretty good smudges on it. Either way my dvd collection is completely fine. No detrimental scratches that would cause me to discard any of them. I have kids so if that increases the chances, I have never experienced it. So i really don't see the need for it. And I have been renting HD DVD's from netflix for 3 months now. All HD DVD;s have worked perfectly.
Back to the durability/coating issue. HD-DVD is the same material as standard DVDs. It will be manyfold more susceptible to marring, scratches and mistracking due to its very fine encoading.
Sony's Blu-Ray, to my knowledge will be nearly impervious to minor scratches, marring (smudges, etc.) because I believe they have licensed TDKs' diamond coat (not diamond or hardness equivalent, just a marketing name indicating hardness quality). Diamond coat is a very hard, transparent coating which protects DVDs from everything but steel wool scratches. I've seen TDK demonstations and this coating really works. HD-DVDs will be untenable after kids get their hands on them. Netflix won't want to bear the costs of quick replacements of abused discs. Why wouldn't Netflix and Blockbuster prefer selling diamond coated Blu-Ray discs instead? I would like all my discs to have diamond coat; however, the TDK cost is about $1 or $2 a disc at this time-quantity discounts may be available (like a billion coat license would be about 10 cents each)?
Back to the durability/coating issue. HD-DVD is the same material as standard DVDs. It will be manyfold more susceptible to marring, scratches and mistracking due to its very fine encoading.
Sony's Blu-Ray, to my knowledge will be nearly impervious to minor scratches, marring (smudges, etc.) because I believe they have licensed TDKs' diamond coat (not diamond or hardness equivalent, just a marketing name indicating hardness quality). Diamond coat is a very hard, transparent coating which protects DVDs from everything but steel wool scratches. I've seen TDK demonstations and this coating really works. HD-DVDs will be untenable after kids get their hands on them. Netflix won't want to bear the costs of quick replacements of abused discs. Why wouldn't Netflix and Blockbuster prefer selling diamond coated Blu-Ray discs instead? I would like all my discs to have diamond coat; however, the TDK cost is about $1 or $2 a disc at this time-quantity discounts may be available (like a billion coat license would be about 10 cents each)?
Tymao,
You work on the systems that is cool? What is it that you do? From what I here it is extremely hard to work on the PS3. Maybe one day they'll get used to it and it will save the world like it's supposed to. The thing is there is information out on the web that states when it comes to CPU vs GPU the Xbox 360 is a more powerful gaming system. But when it comes to T'flops the ps3 packs more punch. I really don't see how games right now can get any better looking that GOW for the 360. But that's now and not the future.
While I agree, games on the 360 look better than games on the PS3 (GOW vs Resistance for example), I would like to point out that the PS3's graphics chip is actually significantly more powerful than the 360's (I know, I have worked on both). The reason games look better on the 360 is not that it is more powerful, but that they were not rushed and there were good 360 dev kits well before there were good PS3 dev kits. Also, edram has almost nothing to do with the characters being squared or rounded, the rsx (aka geforce7900 + extras) is quite capable of rounded text. Edram is similar to a frame buffer, but used a bit differently. It's 10MB of ridiculously fast memory that gets used (most often) for caching graphics and doing post-processing tricks. It's actually somewhat of a hack to get around the fact that the 360's video chip is a bit underpowered. It results in good graphics done cheap.
Rabbit, like Brich said. Umm theres alot of good games for 360 and good games that are coming. Also there is gonna be totalhd so disney movies will be shown in HD-DVD. And HDMI? well it is a awsome cable, but the truth is HDMI on the ps3 looks almost exactly the same on the 360 running on component's…i've seen it my self. But since ps3 graphics card rsx doesn't support edram, well that's y the characters still look similiar to ps2's grapichs, squared, not smooth, only thing is the details that u can see. But it's the truth what brich said, ps3 was not what ppl hoped. I was a bigtime ps3 supporter you know? i couldn't wait and i didn't give a crap about xbox 360, but i got the 360 in the mean time, and i fell in love. I saw the ps3, and i was disappointed. That sucks too because i was really hoping to get one. But i realized i dont't need it, if nething i would get it for resistance, but hey gears of war is way better than that. So yeah ps3 doesn't rule i bet not even with it's 1st party exclusives, it will beat the 360's graphical power, look at forza, it looks awesome, more realstic than Rige racer, burnout..etc. It looks like GTHD. well thats all, hey bigrich gonna go too xbox live to play gears, and i got your message and it's cool, i understand that lobbies get full. Well invite me if u get in and have the chance.
how can you say PS3 rules? Now I'll take it easy and say it's good like you spoke of the 360. It's not as good as many hoped, you have to admit that. yeah it's a cool looking machine but that's about it. No matter what they pull they lost their edge. Each year there will be a new Gears, and a new Halo. Sony has no answer for that.
I think that blue ray is obviously going to win. It is more expencive, I know. But think about it. over 1 million people have a PS3, and lets say that each once of those people are going to buy one blue ray disk. That's already 1 million dvds sold. Of cousre like me, I have bought a lot more blue ray dvds for the PS3. I am not saying that HD-DVD isn't good, i like it but Blue ray is still better, and better in the way it looks.
PS3 rules(except for price, even though it is well priced)
360 is good.
Wii is just another gc, it sucks, and it won't last long.
Many people think sony is (arrogant, stupid, etc) but, while they have lost many a format war (though not completely, for example, Beta was used exclusively by broadcast TV stations until just recently), they have won plenty of other battles. They had sold over 111 million PS2's as of september. They sold 1.4 million during december alone. Microsoft sold about 22 million xboxs and Nintendo sold about 18 million GameCubes total. Sony sold more PS2's than xboxs, gamecubes, 360's and Wii's combined. In fact, if you add up all of those consoles numbers, sony has sold nearly twice as many PS2s as all of those combined. Lets not forget the PS1, of which sony sold over 106 million, nearly as many as the PS2. The PS2 is the best selling game console of all time, by a whole lot, and number two is the PS1, both Sony products. Now, this isn't to say that Blu-ray will win. I just want to point out that nobody should, even for a second, think sony doesn't know what it's doing. Sony has been extremely successful on many fronts, and has even turned several very public losses into wins in the end. For the record I own both a PS3 and an xbox360 with HD-DVD player (as well as a Wii, but that doesn't really apply here). I've got an HDTV and I make good use of it. Honestly the only difference I've noticed between blu-ray and HD-DVD is that the blue packaging looks cooler than the maroon both on store shelves and on my shelves. To be completely fair, I've never seen a single person other than me actually buy a blu-ray disc or HD-DVD.
WickedRabbit you made some valid points in your write up. Although I don't understand why you continue to call people stupid because they feel HD DVD is a better format. I mean why are you being so defensive? To touch on the whole 1080p I thing. From what I undestand HD DVD has released a player that is 1080p. Now this argument gets worn out because the majority of people i even know who have a hi def tv, DO NOT HAVE 1080P bro. How about yourself? Oh your probably going to sit here and say everyone on your street. HD DVD is capable of providing the technology you talked about as well. Hdmi 1.3? Best believe HD DVD can do it. 7.1 surround sound, oh yes more than capable. Why is this not so important right now? Because hardly anyone has a TV with HDMI 1.3, hardly anyone has a 7.1 surround sound system that supports HDMI. You know you sound like your getting caught up in what Sony promises. Your a paper doll bro. The fact of the matter is Blu has not lived up to expectations. Last year they got whooped, by this inferior format called HD DVD. Now they are releasing title after title right now, but none of them have any of the special features that they promise, and they continue to be coded in M-peg2, isn't that for standard DVD's? How is that tech revolution?. Heck they can not even code Lossless sound on the freakin movies. Why do I care what they can do 10 years from now, I would like to have quality now. Which HD DVD does offer.
I'll give it to you they do have a ton of support from studios. Part of the reason because they have their own movie studio as well. But with Total HD, HD DVD will be capable of selling pixar movies eventually, you will see. I think having microsoft and intel supporting hd dvd is anything from stupid.
You might not have noticed but the whole video console war is shifting. Yeah PS2 out sold 360, and also the Ps3, and is predicted to throughout the whole year. Why not it's 150.00, and there are plenty of young gamers out there who would be more than satisfied to have one. but for the true gaming industry there are already 10 millions 360's out there. Are you sitting here telling me this is some sort of Fluke Bro there were really good games on the 360 since the get go. COD2- Game of the year, GRAW, Tony Hawk Project 8, Fight night round 3, Gears of war (Triple Platinum) Rainbow Six Vegas, COD3, Madden, Lost planet. Oh yeah this year right, guess you never heard of the release of Mass Effect, Bio Shock, Forza motorsport, Crackdown, Halo 3, GRAW29 which will not be released on PS3, wonder why) and Fable 2. Plus all the other titles releasing. Oh yeah what a line up for Ps3 as well. The only in there I see as being a blockbuster is Metal Gear Solid 4. and what was that? Metal gear Solid will be moving to 360 as well? You know it baby.
Paperdoll read the sources, nobody wants to make games for the PS3. It's technology is not geared for gaming. Fram rates are slow, Blu ray drive is slow. Heck I know the PS2 was good, but I traded mine in a long time ago for the 360. Will never go back. Paperdoll, Sony had a whole year to get it right with the PS3. While microsoft stepped off the porch and offered the public HD gaming, Sony sat still not sure of what they were capable of. I think they knew the truth, they blew it with the PS3. But I don't think they care. They want Joe Gamer to have Blu ray instead. Now only first party developers are working with the PS3. And many of them are open to crossing platform. That wont happen with Halo or GOW, ever. So any third party games will have been developed off the 360 platform and then crossed over to Ps3. Which means it will never be 100% naturally developed for it's system. So you can write and go on and on no the promises Sony is making. truth is their still coding in M-peg2, are having difficulities with coding lossless sound, and the Ps3 sales are decreasing by the week. HD DVD won't disapear and neither will blu, but sony may lose it's presence as a big time player after this one.
Content. Content. Content. It's the same argument every year about everything. PS2 vs. Xbox. Camp Microsoft said "power" was going to win. Guess what? PS2 outsold Xbox. Even more interesting, PS2 CONTINUED TO OUTSELL THE 360 THIS VERY PAST HOLIDAY SEASON.
Why? Content. It took Microsoft over a year with the 360 to finally get some good content, in the form of Gears of War and Lost Planet primarily.
Well, guess what. Sony has been playing the content game for quite some time and for a simple reasons: all that other stuff does not really matter.
7 out of 8 top movie studios exclusively back Blu-Ray. Want a Disney movie for next-generation? Gotta buy a blu-ray player. Want to see james bond (old and new). Blu Ray. Spiderman, a lot of other marvel movies? Blu-Ray. I could could go on, but you get the point. What's the point of buying a player for something that does not have the content you're going to want?
While it's definitely true that right now, 1080P vs. 1080i (HD DVD is not 1080p… you can even check the players and see that they specifically state 1080i despite the official HD DVD's website's claim of "up to 1080p" <— marketing words for stupid people) means very little because NO CONTENT BEING FILMED AS OF THIS MOMENT IS IN 1080P because the camera's aren't out there. That will change next year. Panasonic and Sony all ready have 1080P cameras ready on an industry level (not a consumer level) that will begin to go out mid this year. The first 1080P content you will realistically see though will be in digital anime's and cartoons, eliminating dithering and jagginess within the lines and fast movie scenes. For a cartoon, the difference will be VERY noticeable.
But, getting back to the point. It's all about content. using the whole PS2 vs. Xbox debacle again, MS claimed power would win. Xbox was no doubt more powerful than the PS2. Did it win? Nope. Because PS2 had more content.
For you stupid people, MS tried to twist that and say that PS2's advantage of being out first/longer was why. So, MS launched the 360 first. Well, aside from completely flopping in Japan, they still haven't shown the "content" after a year of being out and are about to start seeing Sony do what they did with PS2: dominate.
PS3 has a much better lineup of games, even in its first year. Let's just name a few… Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Metal Gear 4… oh wait… those are just first year titles…
let's see if we compare that to 360 (and i'll even be nice and do 2nd year titles since MS should have a ton of content in their second year)… and we have um… Halo 3 and Fable 2, which I might add are currently "tentative 2007" titles. And, if you want to be more realistic, Fable 2 is in no direct competition to the PS3 titles aforementioned in terms of pure sales. Halo 3 will no doubt sell well, but once again, MS has a single game (well, two now if you count gears of war) to sell it's console, where Sony still has the support of more developers with more original content. And, any of "good" game (i'm only mentioning titles I consider to be blockbusters in terms of sales revenue) is probably also available on PS3 or PC.
And just to be mean, I'll also point on how good those high def games are going to look on that nice big ass 1080p most people will have by the end of the year on that 360. Oh wait… my bad… i forgot… no HDMI. What a joke. Don't even give me that whole bs about a rumored 360 with HDMI support either unless you mean to tell me that IF it actually comes out you will go buy one even though you have a 360 all ready. my point rests. Probably 1% of gamers that have a 360 will invest in the new one and by the time the thing even comes out (if ever) most people that wanted a 360 will all ready have it and are not going to spend another $300+ for HDMI, despite it's advantages.
getting back on subject though, content is the point and unless you're stupid, no one can arguably deny that Sony has MORE CONTENT. Whether you want to say that you will be forced to by blu-ray because of content, sony was just smarter in securing more companies or maybe – just maybe – they made a better product and more companies decided to choose a company that's known for its dominance instead of a new product that even on a spec sheet does not compete with blu-ray is your choice. Either way, blu-ray wins.
a brief breakdown of player capability right now:
HD DVD: 1080i (not 1080p, look at all the players available), 5.1 (once again, look at all the players and not the clever marketing departments "up to 7.1" on the official site…because guess what, I can change my receiver to enchanced mode or whatever the hell it is and make sound come out of all 7 speakers…but guess what, that ain't 7.1 I can tell you that damn much), and it took a triple layer hd dvd to get 51gb of info (when a blu-ray has a dual layer of 50gb… funny)
blu-ray: 1080p, 7.1, 50gb on a dual layer with more in the future. Some things to remember too about blu-ray though, is that you technically can't get 7.1 unless you have an hdmi 1.3, which thus means that even though there are cables in 1.3, your receiver and/or tv might not have it… at least not until around summer, which pretty much everything at CES that was shown had 1.3 in it. Like i said, everything is marketing. 1080p is great, but you won't see true 1080p content for probably another year. 7.1 is great, but not until later this year… what's the point? well, blu-ray has it now. whatever you buy from blu-ray now does not have to be upgraded any time soon. it's built with future support in mind.
whatever you buy from hd dvd on the other hand right now WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE with what you have now. Get an HD DVD player now and when/if they upgrade the technology to actually give 1080p and actual 7.1 surround sound (but dont expect their disk sizes to be even remotely comparable to that of blu-ray considering they are still using red lasers… just think, it took a triple layer hd dvd to basically get the same size of a dual layer bd) and you will have to upgrade the entire player, along with disks and whatnot. Cha-ching for them because you now have two of everything in your house.
Oh but wait, by the time that happens (if it happens) the market – for the most part – will have all ready chosen which route they are going… and that route is blu-ray… hd hvd has some… 3? retarded companies backing them… with the largest being Universal Fox… and we all know how amazing the "majority" of their movies are *sarcasm*. while 7 of the top 8 have chosen blu-ray and Warner Bros (being the 8th) selecting to support both formats.
and oh, while Sony isn't directly supporting the porn industry (hd dvd is… i wonder why…could it be, THAT is going to be their only source of real revenue since sony isn't giving them support), even the president of Vivid entertament went on to say (on video i might add) that he believes Blu-ray is a much better format and that even though sony isn't supporting them (by support that means that sony isn't giving them the raw units, code, etc. they normally would get to make putting content on a blu-ray disk easier and simpler with better features) it WILL happen.
How funny… HD DVD is basically saying: here is our stuff for free. Use it for your high def porn. And they are still trying to figure out how to put it on Blu-Ray.
I think the industry has chosen. HD DVD will not disappear, but it definitely won't be that successful.
They should have left the rumble feature. Six axis is retarded, Wii is the only system that should take advantage of the motion sensor.
Well just found this, really i have a life! I am just at work. But here is a review of the game. i thought it was just interesting because it supports what we have been discussing. The fact that the Blu ray player and Cell processor is not good for gaming. read review below.
The wireless PS3 controller is used to fly the various planes — using traditional buttons as well as the built-in motion-sensing technology — but simulator snobs may prefer a flight stick instead. It would be remiss not to mention that the rumble feature, which isn't in the latest PlayStation controller, is sorely missed in this type of game.
While the graphics are gorgeous, one problem is poor frame rates that cause the action to slow down whenever there are a lot of planes or tanks onscreen at the same time.
This not only takes away from the suspension of disbelief, but those who shelled out up to $600 for a PS3 and its allegedly powerful new Cell processor will probably be disappointed in the occasionally choppy performance in this game.
review found at http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/01/19/blazing.angels/index.html
FelicitousRc yeah that is very unique I'll keep a look out for you. I'll be on tonight for a few. Right now i am burning the midnight oil at work. Yeah so try and find me one day. i know that it can be difficult to add. I think we have to be on at the same time.
Go HD DVD!
FelicitousRc yeah that is very unique I'll keep a look out for you. I'll be on tonight for a few. Right now i am burning the midnight oil at work. Yeah so try and find me one day. i know that it can be difficult to add. I think we have to be on at the same time.
Go HD DVD!
lol, yeah your pretty good at this rich, oh and i'm gonna add u but i don't have gold so i'll add you but i won't be online for a while, but gears of war is fun online! it may be only 8 players but it's perfect. My gamertag is FelicitousRc..i don't know what felicitous means? but i chose that.
Ok this just in. Blu ray peeps catch me if i am wrong here ok. Now HD DVD uses the VC-1 right? Blu ray refuses to use the codec right? Blu ray currently uses M-Peg2, promises to use M-peg4 but has not titles for arrival. HD DVD just released details of a title arriving soon, with the M-peg4 codec. red below
Has Blu ray released any titles in M-PEG4? Besides space, we already know they have lots of space. Is there anything Blu can do HD DVD can not? It's really not looking that way right now. Geez I am so good at this.
The format war solution! Offically ending to the war.
I have a solution, everyone needs to go out and purchase the 360, and the add on. There problem solved . Then get gears of war, look me up on XBL under rich dog 11, and get your head shot off. Why didn't i think of this before?
Tim,
I think it's a great idea. You know we just purchased a portable dvd player. So withthe combo disk you can enjoy the HD at home, while watching the dvd on your way to the beach or something. Also it does allow those who dream of the HD experience a chance to stock up. i could imagine it's exciting to have a few HD DVD's sitting on the shelf. We all know it can costs a pretty penny moving into the HD realm, so planning for it is a smart idea.
I just got done watching the ant bully on hd dvd on my plasma and it was awsome. It has great audio(dolby trueHD) it looks really awsome. Go hd dvd
in my last post i did not make myself clear when I was talking about the combo formate, it is were one side has regular dvd and the other hd dvd. It is sweet, a real smart move for hd dvd makers. They planned ahead on that one, not like sony and there releases, lol.
BigRich,
I think that the war can be decided right know. Yes there are few people that own a hdtv, but with prices of hdtvs falling i bet in the next few years there will be an amazing amout of people with hdtv. It will be like the colored tv replacing the black and white tv. But the best thing is that people that dont have an hdtv can start building there hd dvd colection right know with hd dvd releasing there combo formate discs, I have some and they are great. People are going to buy movies anyway so why no build a collection of hd dvds. I think that that was one of the smartests moves maid by hd dvd. It is a clear choice to me. Hd dvd
I know what you mean Tim. You know what else worries me about Sony. Is what would happen to their reputation (although slightly tarnished already) if Blu loses the format, and if the PS3 falls flat. I mean Sony is in a crazy situation right now. Seriously , maybe cause there are no games, but they are stating that sony can't move the PS3. I have only spoke in this lobby from honest opinion, and from what I have read in multple high def web sites. Honestly with only 18 percent of the world or something like that who only have HDTV, can this format war be decided yet?
BigRich I think that you are right, the blue ray may be a good tech but not for movies or gamming, but for a storage backup device. I think that they should have done more resurch before releasing it to the public. I have heard people say that blue ray is still new and it will work out the kinks, but hd dvd is not much older that blue ray. They both made there big kick last year, and hd dvd in my openion has had little to no big bugs to work out. I have owned both as I have mentioned and love the hd dvd over blue ray. I think that sony i going to let down the public with the ps3 blue ray. When blue ray goes down what is it going to be good for, you know what I mean
Ok just read this today. Now a big point to Blu ray is that the movies will have great pic quality and lossless sound. Now as far as pic quality goes, so far unipressed. But I read thsi article and it seems they are having a hard time with the coding of losslss sound on Blu. What's up with that? Do you think that Blu ray is an awesome technology but just not designed for movie viewing? Mayeb Sony is just forcing this on us as consumers?
Tim,
Batman Begins is an amazing flick on HD DVD. Especially teh part when he blows the dust in the scarecrows face. And batmans face turns into a demon. It's off the hook.
I was just watching batman begins on hd dvd on my plasma and o how sweet it was. I love hd dvd and look forward to its triumphant victory over the blue ray. Go hd dvd
One last thing for now. Will all of you get over the 1080i and 1080p issue. Most of us who are serious about our audio video systems have either a DLP or LCD TV, which both types convert an interlace signal to a progressive signal. The 1080p marketing is nothing more than a scam buy retailers to and manufacturers to get more money out of consumers.
P.S.
If you haven't bought your first hd tv yet let me strongly suggest that you by a SAMSUNG DLP 32" or bigger know other tv compares.
You don't need a $399 xbox 360 to use the add hd dvd player it also works with any computer running windows xp or the soon to be released Vista. this is easly done, with a simple driver install that happens automaticaly. also, if any one has been paying attention the PS3 has done more damage to blue ray than it has helped it and after hearing all the news out of the CES this year I believe that blue ray is in big trouble and know for a fact that hd dvd has gained a lot more support and more will be announced soon! HD dvd is going to win it's just going to take a little time.
Bigrich, don't worry about not having to keep your hd-dvd, cherish it for the war has been declared. It's official that no format will die out. Thanks to LG and warner bros. With LG coming up with the combo player, and Warner Bros. with the TotalHd disc. It's said that with these products the war between the formats, is over with them both winning, i mean now our lil kids, bros. sis. can enjoy watching disney (pixar) movies in hd-dvd. So yeah that's all at least i know it's safe to get a HD-dvd add on…….
PS3 guy, you need to pat yourself on the back for those posts. But thanks for actually coming in here and supporting Blu in a mature way. it was getting old sitting here and just bickering. For your info though someone made a post under BigRich saying I like Lil boys. The only lil boy I like is my son, who is 14 weeks old! But we could go on and on about this. It seems like every day you learn something ggod or bad about the formats. If Blu wins, fine just make me a dam affordable player. If HD DVD wins great cause I have a small collection. Either way I saw the Add on as a win situation. I mewan 200.00 dollars to expose myself to Hi Def DVD's, why not? If HD DVD doesn't win, o well. 200 comes and goes. I really wanted to get a PS3, I actually had the money. But I broke down got the 360, and it's been great. The thing is Sony is Ok w me. i would lie if I didn't say I didn't own a Sony product, Hence the 50in 1080P SXRD in my living room. Just a bit dissapointed in the PS3 right now, and the quality I see in Blu ray. Honestly I have yet to be impressed with the PIC quality. I agree the technology on paper is awesome. but unless my eyes are truly satisfied with video quality, I wont be able to make the jump. Also I make good money, but not enough to drop one grand on a player. So i will wait it out until the winner is declared, if it ever happens, then go from there. Just know that BigRich loves his family, friends, Video games, and Hi def TV. I just want to be able to start having a full library of HD titles, W/o having to own both formats. Hey but this has been fun, I will be in and out ofhere, since I surf the internet at work all day long. See ya later!
Big Rich-
Wow! Nice posts Blake. That must taken quite some time. Even though I could definetly smell a Sony fan, I totally argee on the situation. If anyone has actually read all the posts on this site, there is nothing more they can say on the subject. By now, we all know who supports what and that's all we have! I like HD DVD who cares? So does Big Rich. PS3guy likes Blu Ray. Big surprise! We'll all just have to wait and see. And the best thing we can do to help is buy the products. Coming on here and saying, "Blu Ray is the worst format ever!" Isn't gonna help much. Anyways, I'll probably just check back on the site every now and then for new stuuf that came out in the news. Just post links, thats better than one-sided bad feelings.
Oh and not to defend Jared because he's just picking fights, after rereading his post if you tweak it slightly it is actually true, observe:
"Who says Blu-Rau isn't backwards compatible!! I play tons of DVD's in my PS3."
This is true and unarguable, the BD reader within the PS3 is backwards compatable with DVD as are all future Blu-Ray Players (same with HD-DVD players)
"Not to mention the fact that you can't take advatage of a 1080P signal with an HD DVD player. Get a clue!!"
- Ok either he is lost or that was a little snaffu with a reference, I will self correct it now: "Not to mention the fact that you can't take advatage of a 1080P signal with (a 360) addon player. Get a clue!!
- This is true the XBox 360 can't produce 1080p signals through its current hardware configuration. While they may release a new version or a new addon to allow HDMI imput is yet to be seen although there are currently no plans to do so. I think Microsoft is testing the waters first. Also it's trivial because few people even own a 1080p capable television but its still a fact nonetheless>
Ok I'm going to add a few parting responses tho it might be bittersweet because any replies to this may never see a response…just a fair warning:
"No doubt about it, rich and rooskie, HD-DVD, is the way to go. Oh did u see how some dude put earlier that he has both hd-dvd add on and ps3 and that he likes the hd dvd better? Well i've never heard neone say that they own both format players and that they like the blu-ray better…there u have it blu-ray fanboys, the TRUTH!! -Ray"
Fine here you go, I own a dedicated HD-DVD player and a Pseudo-Blu-Ray player (the 3) and prefer the Blu-Ray format. Now you have heard it and shalt cower before the might of this earth shattering decree *grins* Not only that but I clearly cant see a reason why anyone would blow over $800 to have both technologies (I may own both but one is a year old). Not only that but broadcasting to a 1080p capable television I can say that they both look and sound exactly the same. I think his review of likeing HD-DVD more was based on the fact he has no games for the 3 which might have ticked me off if that were the only reason i bought it. However I wanted a cheap-blu ray capable multimedia mini-PC with Playstation games on it and am thrilled to own it. Plus if he was using the HD-DVD upgrade and the PS3 on a 1080p capable television he would have noticed a difference in resolution but not alot (owing to the fact PS3 can hit 1080p and the 360 cannot). This is because the titles released to date on both formats arent truly High-Definition but are more or less the original DVD versions cleaned up a bit. Look for NEW movies that have true Digital Masters to take advantage of the format war and when they do use the 1080 range properly only a Gen-2 HD-DVD user with HDMI can match the PS3.I think he's running both systems on a lower end HD ready tv which would explin his findings. I could see a Gen-2 person making that statement and I would weigh it more heavily but as of yet have not heard anything of the sort. So using the 360 addon is like coming to a party with Coors rather than Miller, bad call dude…bad call *chuckles* Thats not anything against the 360 it is a fine gaming machine but as far as movie playback goes it is just a soft-drink short of a combo-meal, even Rich should agree on that.
"The facts are there, HD DVD is clearly a better choice than Blu ray. -Big Rich"
Oh you didn't think I'd just leave and ignore a comment like that. The facts aren't there they are right here in the fact that neither choice is clear. We'll have to wait awhile before you can make that claim. Even VHS had to wait 3 years before declaring victory and 5 to stomp Beta out of existance.
"This is just pure gold! Gates himself openly mocking the PS3! -rooksie"
On everything but HD-DVD and the 360 I am an avid Microsoft supporter and have alpha/beta tested many products you may very well be using right now as you read this but lets be honest… thats the same man who created Windows ME. Be fair
"I like little boys – J"
*backs away slowly*
"I like little boys too – Big Rich"
Even though that is a joke *backs away more*
"I simply think BD is more of a step forward tech-wise, therefore I stand with BD – J"
The actual way they look, sound, and perform in practice are the same between formats so I'm assuming you meant the disk and lense itself… if so I agree, if not you are wrong.
Sincerely,
Blake the PS3guy
Since this debate has de-evolved into the 360 club and smaller PS3 club just hammering at eachother I have decided that I am going to take my leave of you and move on to greener pastures setting up an online MMORPG (which is going to look awful but hope to have great gameplay… haha the Wii method) It has been fun going up against BigRich who is probably the only HD-DVD fan to use hard fact against my hard fact (and yet even with all these facts we arrive deadlocked just like the actual format war itself)
A few parting thoughts:
While it's easy to take shots at the underachieving PS3 while the chips are down during a launch phase we should look to see that oddly enough the PS2 is still ranked the highest selling console today… still! Because Sony finally decided not to can production of games for an older console which is probably one of the most kind things a gaming company has ever done (aside from the Wii allowing download of every nintendo game ever).
If we would choose to recall the 360's launch wasn't that phenominal either and there were PS2 fans railing on yall (despite a HUGE technological advantage) so I suppose this is just everyone getting even for years of grief which is understandable.
One cannot deny the power of the 360 or the PS3 in pushing the format war towards one side or the other but lets be reasonable here and try to look at who is getting more exposure through the system. Blu-Ray comes with every PS3, the 360 offers HD-DVD as a $200 add-on (at least that was the last price point I saw a few weeks ago so don't flame me if I'm off a bit.) Every PS3 game comes on a Blu-Ray disk and has the logo stamped prominantly on the white Blu-ray box (which personally looks nicer on my shelf with the old timer DVD and VHS cases than the bright blue Blu-Ray movie case or the Bright red HD-DVD case, yes you may not have known I own both formats) so every time you see a game you know Blu-Ray. The 360 has no plans and most likely will never release a game on their HD-DVD disks. Also the fact that even with the HD-DVD addon to the 360 there are currently less HD-DVD players in the homes of the consumer (go figure the PS3 launch would have that big an effect) but then there's the fanaticism of Sony fans. There is a noticible void of games during the launch (tho sony plans 6 million PS3's worldwide by Q4 2007 and over 100 games which should close the gap a bit I would say) so PS3 people are turning to the other features of their long awaited console which would be the Blu-Ray movie. I have owned a HD-DVD player for quite some time now but already the collection of Blu-Ray disks has dwarfed the HD section and not just because I want to justify a $600 purchase (I still believe it to be a bargain). Blu-Ray simply offers more titles I want on disk than HD-DVD does and even in the cases where they are dual-published I just like my PS3, the damn thing is quiet and just looks pretty sitting upright (Note: Sony kids if you havent put it upright do so now. the 360 designed itself to be logically upright as did the Wii. The 3 did aswell, if you note the curved top making setting stuff atop it impossible, because you extend the drives life by not weighing down on the lense (the destructor of many a PS2 CD)) The fact it doesn't have a gargantuan power brick also makes toating it from one TV to another is a plus (no that wasn't a crack against the 360 although it is valid, the HD player I have uses one albeit not so…big)
For the haters in the console war: Give it a rest PS3 people, as of yet we have no way to prove we're better in any category, thats to be seen this year with releases of exclusives. 360 people sit the hell down, you cant declare victory during a launch (the PS2 outsold the 360 thru its launch and all the way to the end of it being Sony's next-gen system, as that title goes to the PS3) and the 360's launch window wasn't exactly one for the books either. Just hold off on this war until October when there are solid games to go after. For now focus on a war a little older and the topic of this entire discussion Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD *points up* see it up there right in the title bar… thats the topic, seriously.
Backers: The Blu-Ray format has more, the HD-DVD format has less… thats all one can really say for now until the war grows a bit.
Pitfalls: Aside from the PS3 Blu-Ray players blow, HD-DVD players are in second-gen (the 360 isnt a full player because it cant do HDMI however 1080i is still really all you need so they arent exactly destitute (that honor belongs to the Wii-bies) Blu-Ray players just hit First-Gen. Let a few more on the market first before comparing quality specs (the Disk Formats support all the same stuff so it comes down to the players and the companies that make the masters)
Why I mentioned the PS3 here but keep telling people to leave it out: I'm not being hypocritical I was using the 3's value as a Movie Player and the impact it has on the War, as you notice I also mention the 360's HD-DVD addon. I mention games because of the trademarking on the 3's games helps increase visibility of the medium.
To people who bring up Beta: Will you shut up already jeeze. Nobody cares anymore, not even the Sony executives. I know its easy to try to win an arguement by pointing out past failures but the Beta had an incredible run outside the consumer market where VHS won hands-down. Beta was used in many video recorders used by the industry and the format survived till 2002 when it was finallu scrapped. Yes it took Beta a long time to die off (only 3 years ago) and that indicates this war might last awhile so save your best insults till the darn thing is in full swing.
Disk Capacity: Blu-ray has more. HD-DVD has less. Blu-Ray has the capacity for much more, HD-DVD has the capacity for much more but has limited its write-space so it eventually hits a wall. And no you cant just bring the data closer like Blu-Ray, the architecture of the disk change would make the new disks unplayable by all players that come before it. Its stuck where it is.
Console Fansupport: 360 has more 10.x million vs 2 million but that number might be higher before you know it, we'll see. The game has just begun here. However 360 users are reluctant to back HD-DVD en-masse yet. PS3 users are forced to making them much more visious in winning the war.
Player Fansupport: HD-DVD has more being an older format but has seen sales slump while the PS3 driven Blu-ray has risen almost meteorically (I know its a word but I might have typoed it… its 6 am and I haven't slept…cut me slack here)
Format Support: Mixed, the gen-2 HD players get a better reaction than the gen-1 BD players but there are more companies with BD prototypes ready to be released so we'll see. Assuming full capabilities of both formats however (perfect world scenario) as a movie medium they are deadlocked, as a storage medium BD outperforms.
Anyhow it's been fun and I'll be sure to check in with an occasional comment but for all intents and purposes I now bow out and exit stage left.
Sincerely,
Blake the PS3guy
Just a quick comment to Laughing, there are dual format Blu-Ray / DVD disks in the making. And the Blu-Ray Association backed down on their moral high ground and is in talks with the Porn Industry. While it makes them seem weak its unfortunately (or fortunately if you love your Porn) the right decision from a business standpoint.
And just to clarify Blu-Ray and HD-DVD look exactly the same on their premier players because both formats (as BigRich has stated) are essentially the same. One has to take into account that like the 360 vs. PS3 war this has been the launch year for the latter systems/formats. Its hard to predict the outcome this early and it mostly boils down to fans just slinging rocks at eachother. Blu-Ray.com gives the technical specs of both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and is a wonderful (albeit slightly biased) review site (hey at least its not the Association or the HD-DVD Support site).
As a PC user I simply support Blu-Ray on the fact that I see more promise in the technology and ultimately it boils down to a Blu-Ray disk will always have more storage than a HD-DVD disk. It comes down to the numerical aperature of the lense and the location of Data on the Disk. Blu-Ray disk data is much closer to the surface than HD-DVD and DVD data (thus requiring the hard-coat protective layer) so more layers can exist on a single disk now and as mastering technology improves the amount of data on both formats will improve. However the limitation comes from the numerical aperature of the lense and of the two technologies Blu-Ray has a much larger aperature. This allows the beam to be focused on a much smaller area than HD-DVD can use. That means that as mastering technology improves for every 200 gb HD-DVD disk you might see a 500gb Blu-Ray disk.
For movies and games thats trivial unless you decide to release a disk called "The Complete PlayStation X, 1, 2 Game Archive Disk Set from the Hand of God Himself" (Take note Sony, this is a damn good idea ) or "Every Single Kung-Fu Movie Ever Made" Super-Collection (also a good Idea, Studios I'm looking at you now!)
Ultimately it comes down to my PC and the ever increasing desire to never lose data ever again and so far Blu-Ray is the only viable choice aside from Two-Photon 3-D (1 TB storage disk), Tapestry Media (300 GB but the disk is too big for a backwards compatable player *sad*), or the Protein-Coated disk (50 terabytes but will likely be completely unaffordable by anyone but the government >
and response to Brians post. . .
You havent truely lived till you see a movie on blu ray!
Posted by: brian | Jan 19, 2007 1:10:38 PM
???
Im sorry but if thats your definition of "living" you might want to get out more.
I just think its interesting. If history repeats itself. Sony backed the Beta and Beta lost the VCR vs Beta Max battle. Sony clearly backs the Blue Ray.
Another interesting note that helped decide DVD was the adult entertainment industry. Which medium do they back at this point?
Take these two into considerdation before making your decisions. . .
-Hope all is well-
No doubt about it, rich and rooskie, HD-DVD, is the way to go. Oh did u see how some dude put earlier that he has both hd-dvd add on and ps3 and that he likes the hd dvd better? Well i've never heard neone say that they own both format players and that they like the blu-ray better…there u have it blu-ray fanboys, the TRUTH!!
Rooskie,
you see him trying to imitate me? He's weak rooskie. I honestly admit, me and you at least pack a punch when we discuss or debate here. He's obviously bored with his PS3 so he needs someone to take his aggression out on. He's a total idiot bro. The facts are there, HD DVD is clearly a better choice than Blu ray.
Big Rich
I was thinking the exact same thing when I posted. He knew he had nothing backing the stupid 1080p comment so he decided he'd better use another name.
Could J be short for Jared. Is this another trick. To make it seem like there are other Homer's in here backing up Blu ray. Hey J-lord… Dope!!!!!!!!
Can you all red between the lines? Just picked this off of gamepro.com ( J that is a website)
GP: Is MGS4 still planned as an exclusive PS3 game? Do you have any interest in Xbox 360 development? This is an interview with the all mighty developer of the metal gear series.
Kojima: Well, yes, I do have strong interest in creating something for the Xbox 360. In the US and Europe, it is selling, and I think it will sell a lot this year as well. I'm a fan of Gears of War as well, it's very interesting.
Frankly speaking, I want to create something on the PC. It's a multi-platform [format]. I've been regularly studying work on the PC anyways, and I want to provide something as a world-wide platform because of the consequences with timing on the PlayStation platforms, MGS4 is actually for the PS3 only so far.
Where in the world did Jared get his information? Maybe I should just make up stuff just for fun.
Hey, who says HD DVD doesn't have 500GB disks!! I rip 500GB HD DVDs all the time. Not to mention the fact that Blu Ray players can only use RF connections! How are you supposed to get HD picture and sound out of RF!? Sony really screwed up this time. What were they thinking?
This site would be really interesting if none of us did research and we just said whatever we could think of. Thanks Jared. Quality post.
Tons jared? Tons? LOL… HD DVD does support 1080p so your WRONG! But great point I am glad you play tons of DVD's in your ps3. God forbid you use that thing for gaming.
Who says Blu-Rau isn't backwards compatible!! I play tons of DVD's in my PS3. Not to mention the fact that you can't take advatage of a 1080P signal with an HD DVD player. Get a clue!!
Man J are you resorting to imposter me now? Man how low can you stoop. Well for everyone here I would like you to know that J can't take it like a man. now he's impersonating me. Dam J you want to be like Rich huh? Well for your information I got my B.A. in 5 and I am wrapping up my Masters soon. What is it you got bro? A G.E.D from home schooling. Look bro stay with the subject or go flame elsewhere. For you who used my name to impersonate me, it's all good. See you step into a battle you truly can not win. Hey J-lord keep it real bro. If you can't take the heat get your A$$ out the kitchen. If you like lil boys keep that to yourself. Maybe tell your wife so she can get a real man. If you want to get on each other bout dumb stuff that's cool to. Cause I can stoop to your level if you feel like it. Hell might even out the playing field here. Hey I thought this was a Blog for adults. seems like we got some lil punks up in here, up in here.
I'm glad to hear about your other interest. Can you let me in on some of that teeny-weeny action. I like young boys too. Can't wait til they have some boy-0n-boy action on Hi-Def Blu-Disc.
Shooot, it only took me 5 years for that AA college degree. I'm darn proud!
Oh, and by the way I like 'Young Boys! Really started appreciating man on boy action since college — right before earning my AA college degree after 7 years of continous study.
Amen, I mean Attaboy!
Ha Ha bro you have not said one thing intellectual. Look you started with the whole 3rd grade dialect. A man like me with a college degree has to simplify his arguments in order to gain stimuli from an individual like yourself. You can leave if you want to. Go sit in your living room and slip slowly into madness. Hey but there is still hope. There is ebay and craigslist. you might be able to get half of what you spent on that exceptional piece of machinery you claim to have…
But hey I like your choice of words you used at the end of your meaningless post. Suits you well.
Peace, J-lord.
Well bud…I came for intellectual debate and you want a pissing contest. Now I see you don't have the required materials for intellect. So I will search elsewhere to find intelligent, open-minded persons willing to debate and not resort to name calling. You have ignored any point that I have made in favor of ingorant name calling. So you keep the propaganda machine running strong…oh I'm sorry, I've used so many big words. I'll pause so you can look them up…No matter, I'm sure you still won't understand. I'll leave you you with something you should be able to understand, I only hope I have dumbed it down enough for you…Duuuhhhh, hDdVD…UUUhhhh (Hit head with hammer) Xbox 360…ddduuurrrr (drool) sportcyntir…wwwhhhaaa i go poopy.
LOL oh how the truth hurts right J? Anyways bro let me know which forum you need me in i'll be there to shut you and all them other Blu flamers down. Let me know the lies i have told, and i will spot you the source. Bro you don't have to get defensive, and it's a good thing you admitted you changed your mind about gaming and the 360. Now your being honest with yourself. Continue to walk towards the light my brother, and you will be saved! Yeah you better not start with Rooskie cause then you'll have both of your feet in your mouth.
You can mock me and my boys bustin online. but you have it a little twisted. You see unlike Sony PS3, we all can bust gears of war from the comfort of our own homes. So when i am done taking care of the kids, banging the ol lady, and watching sportscenter, i can log onto Xbox live with a few friends ( you have some of those don't you?) and splatter heads, while simply laying on my couch. Doesn't that seem like a perfect night cap? Or would you rather be sitting in front of your computer, with a bra on your head, making love to your virtual husband. Why don't you grow some balls than and rip HD DVD if you can, and the 360. Can i get some sort of rise out of your limp A$$. Did you eat paint chips when you were young? Or did a pack of wild wolves raise you. J relax, drink a beer, hell have a smoke. When your ready to war and have something intellegent to say, I'll be ready. until then try not to punch the mirror tomorrow in the morning.
http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7695
This is just pure gold! Gates himself openly mocking the PS3!
Alright, who's a brick wall now Rich. your not listening to what I'm saying at all. First go to Best Buy, an actual store or online. Oohhhh, what?!? That's right, prices for HD DVD and BD EXACTLY the same. Your happy little link is just the list price, a suggested price from the manufacturer. So please do a little homework before you come to the big table jr. You claim your words have substance, nay I say. I've seen you spout misinformation or just straight up lies without trying to be the least bit responsible or factual. If you would look at some UNBIASED information maybe we could talk. Also, I simply stated my PERSONAL OPINION on some games, did that sink in yet jackass. OPINION. Have fun jackin' it all over your gears of war and halo 3 fanboy. I've played halo 1 & 2, they were good. I'm not about to put on a halo party every thurs. night, you know what i'm talking about. You are not looking at both sides because it doesn't suit you, you would rather argue till blu in the face here where your safe with all your other supporters. At least I have the balls to come in here and stand up for some facts and truths all the while NOT ripping apart HD DVD or 360, why? Because I really don't care that much. As far as gaming goes, the more the merrier. Gamers will only benefit from more game consoles, companies, etc. Between HD DVD and BD, I simply think BD is more of a step forward tech-wise, therefore I stand with BD. When you chill your flamin' underoos a bit and are ready to be a bit more civilized and maybe a bit less biased we'll chat some more on this. Until then I'm done with ya.
Rooskie, I'm not trying to start with you. About your link, there is still a price differance (unless you add the HD player, then it's the same price) and the 360 does have a leg up being on the market for a year already. Also the 360 has launched worldwide, whereas the PS3 has only launched in Japan, north america, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. It will launch to Europe, Austrailia, and Singapore in March.
Brian,
I have seen movies on both blue ray and hd dvd and they are both good but having owned both I prefer hd dvd.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156557
read this one. Its like music to the ears.
Here's another little gem.
http://gigagamez.com/2007/01/11/xbox-domination-360-double-ps3-sales/
Tokyo-based Sony is banking on the PS3 to spark a turnaround from tumbling profits and a costly worldwide recall of 9.3 million laptop computer batteries. Lackluster PlayStation sales would be further cause for concern for a highly hyped product launch already off to a rocky start with two delays.
News of a possible shortfall in Japan helped send Sony shares plummeting as much as 2.7 per cent Wednesday on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The stock ended 1.8 per cent lower at 5,450 yen (US$45.79) amid an overall decline in the market.
Music to my ears…
J,
Are you foaming at the mouth right now. Ok you want it you got it J. Click here and read with your own two eyes the price of Blu ray movies.
You think i am pulling this out my A$$. Bro I don't need to lie. If I had the time I could put so many links in here to make you BLU in the face. So now what? What do you have to say now? Everything you claim has no proof. everything I say has substance. Oh by the way, have fun playing your ps2 games, and watching those crap made movies LOL. Your a funny guy J Bro you can't win this fight. And if your trying to sit here and say gears of war is not the sh*t, than you just a whack a$$ fanboy, talking out his brown eye. Every game I listed is highly praised by all gaming sights. Who's word i will take over your anyday. Plus I have have them at home and love playing their campaign and online versions. These games won the awards on Spike TV Video Game Awards. Doesn't that mean anything? Probably not right j? Oh and watch the heartbreak next year when Halo 3 wins the award. By the way the remote for the 360 is awesome bro. It makes navigating from games, to movies, to Xbox live easy as pie. But no you must like to have things difficult. i have heard about Sony's nightmare online service. No wonder you don't game online! I wouldn't either. But B4 I go any further you should at least look into it. It's a whole different ball game. And I know you say you game on your Computer that is cool. But i would much rather sit in from of my 50in 1080P HDTV and game online. My preference. So sorry sony has you sittin in your superman undies in front of a 17 in screen in order to enjoy an online service.
It sounds like most of the people on this forum are suports of xbox360 and thus the hd dvd, I am a suporter of hd dvd and the 360 by reason of owning both systems the(360 and ps3) the add on hd dvd drive has a much better picture from my personal testing. I think that those who support hd dvd and 360 should do it by getting and add on hd dvd drive thus insuring by the support of millions that hd dvd is the supirior formate. We can win the war by giving our suport and buying the products that hd dvd sells.
I cannot believe that people back the PS3! It is no better than the 360! In fact, it's worse! Online is garbage compared XB Live and it has no good games! And I know I'm gonna hear "it's only been out for two months.", "Wait until some good games come out." and "wait until they unlock the second cell in march." and more garbage from the Sony fans. Let's face the facts. Right now, not later but RIGHT NOW the Xbox 360 is a much better gaming console than the PS3. I do not know how you could argue otherwise. Now for you die hards that say there is hope for the future, How in the world did almighty Sony come up with an inferior product when they had over a year longer to make it? With the rate of technology advancement these days and considering the fact that PS3 had over a YEAR on the 360, it should have absolutely blown the 360 out of the water. There shouldn't be a shadow of a doubt in anyones mind which is better! But somehow they really screwed up badly. Graphics don't look any better, and it costs more! Even though I am an Xbox fan, I was afraid that the PS3 was going to be so much better because of the extra time they had for development and the first time I played one, all those fears dissapeared! I was really confused as to why it took so long for Sony to release it.
Sorry to go on about this in a HD DVD VS Blu Ray site, but hey, I'm sick of people saying that the PS3 is a good as the 360 (right now).
P.S. you dont need a hard drive to use the HD DVD attachment, read the ealier posts.
"The 360 HD DVD add-on *can* be used with the Core system, the HD-DVD drive has on-board persistent storage (all HD DVD players do, it's part of the HD DVD spec)."
Who actually still plays ps1 games? Army men? Tony Hawk 1?
BigRich, you are one dumb sonofabitch aren't ya! First off HD DVDs and BDs cost exactly the same, dummy. What part of your ass do you pull this propaganda from. Secondly out of your be all end all list of games there, nope still not impressed. Project 8 is a fine game on my PS3, and I much prefer the PS controller to Xbox's. No games! No shit! the systems been on the market for 2 months. But hey, It's not like PS has ever had good game support, or have been THE gaming leader since it's inception. Yeah that of course means nothing right? Oh yeah, and I can play my entire back catalog of PS1 and PS2 games until the PS3 games I'm waiting for arrive. Sir, I have a job and two kids as well, and I am just stating facts. Also, my own opinion. I don't care about fight night and call of duty, those games aren't my bag, I respect them as good games however. Are you really going to whine about no HDMI cable and no remote included, that's what you got! If your going high end for all this stuff what's another $60 for an HDMI cable (and that IS an acurate price). The controller is the remote dumb dumb, but that must be too hard, too different for you huh. I know you'll eat this one up, but I not that crazy for online gaming. The online gaming I do, I use my computer. Again, that's personal preference. You sir are very misinformed, and throughout this entire thread I've seen you spit this putrid bile of misinformed propaganda. You should actually learn something about your "competition" before you make wild accusations. Notice the only negative thing I've said of the 360 is that it seems to be Xbox 1.5, otherwise the more quality gaming to go around the better…dick
Dr B. I agree with 100 percent. Not only for the machines to drop, but also the TV's. I have many friends who do not have a HDTV. I don't know how they can live like that, but they are making it.
I do not mean to imply that technology is going to stand still. Only the opposite is true. Remember that the blue laser in these machines is decades old. But the question is not whether Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can beat the tar out of one another, but whether High Definition DVD can beat out DVD while anyone cares. We already have multiformat players and multiformat disk in the works. The only thing that is left is to get people to buy the machines and that will only come when the price drops.
DOPE!!!!! J that's what you should be saying right now. I would love to sit here and attach all the links in which provides in detail the many game developers explaining how the cell processor is just not geared for gaming. Rather it's more for movie purposes. Problem is I am about to jump on Xbox Live and bust some gears of war until maybe 2 in the morning. Yes J I have a job, and two kids so I got other things to do as well. But i am just stating the facts. You have a over rated, inexpensive Blu ray player right now. And it's Sony's big game they are playing with you. Tell me that the games don't blow right now… Admit it. Now wait maybe they will get better. But maybe they won't. So right now Sony has you focused on using the PS3 as a blu ray player, so you and the rest of the Homer's in this world are out there forking out 40 bucks for their dam movies. Sounds like a dup to me.
Listen, son, using your PS3 as a Blu ray drive for anything else than gaming, is a disaster waiting to happen. Why stress that machine like that? Are you fully ready for the day you get a Disc Error read? Maybe it would be your lucky day, at that point you can go and by yourself a HD DVD player.
Xbox 360 is a great machine, greater than PS3 will ever be. Remember they are the pioneers of hi-def gaming. They had to struggle through the new found bumps and bruises. Sony had a whole year to get it right! J think about that! What did Sony do? Rush their product out with minimal systems, no games, no remote, no HDMI cable on hand, a terrible online network, and the lack to scale to 1080i. Does that sound right to you? Or am I talking to a brick wall?
Here is what a year has done for Xbox 360
Oblivion- game of the year
Gears of War- Electronic gaming monthly game of the year
Rainbow Six- Vegas- 9.5
Tony Hawk Project 8-9.0
Ghost Recon Advanced War Fighter- 9.5
Call of Duty 2- 2005 game of the year
Then the other great titles
COD3, lost planet, Fight night round 3 and the games to come
What does PS3 have???? Not a whole lot that won't be cross platform.
Oh and J don't forget Xbox live- Best online gaming period. Dowload Movies, tv shows, music videos, demos, hell even directions to create the A-bomb.
Plus it has an Add on HD DVD player that you can buy when ready…
Need I say anymore.
I aint sure if anyone mentioned this but ummmm. blu-ray is winning. ya it is. Its sales are higher. Their are more blu-ray players sold as of today in the world than their are Hd-dvd players sold.
Blu-ray also has higher software sales than Hd-dvd. look it up.
And 80% of ps3 users said (in a recent study) they will use the blu-ray player of the ps3, meaning blu-ray will be their format. And 75% of ps3 users said the ps3 will be their blu-ray player.
Whether you agree with sony or not about the addition of blu-ray in the ps3 you have to admit its paying off. Because now they have this install base that will use blu-ray right off the bat because they have one of the best blu-ray players in their living room and they are not going to dish out another $500 for an hd-dvd player. but whit the 360 add on hd-dvd player the customer has to make a conscious decision to buy the add-on rather than just having it. Plus for core owners they have to buy the hard drive which is an extra $100. Thus total an extra $300 to have a hd-dvd player, which might not seem to attractive for them.
But regardless blu-ray has the momentum and will continue to have it.
Yeah…you got duped. The 360 has Gears of War and Halo 3. Add in an add on HD-DVD drive and you've got the perfect "install base" for HD-DVD. WAY bigger than Blu-ray's install base. I'm not an XBox fanboy in any way, because I might get a PS3 just for FFXIII(VII rocks!). I just personally think that HD-DVD has the upper hand. Cheaper, better codec, better quality, better movies, bigger install base(as of now),pr0n, and I just don't have the time to list them all.
However, just because blu-ray is more likely to lose out in the video department, doesn't mean that it's storage capacity will go to waste. I see a bright future in the field of computers just because it can hold 50GB of data, right now, and it could someday increase to ~200GB. The only thing that might catch up to Blu-ray in that field is HVD(Holographic Versitile Disc)
They claim that it could possibly hold up to around 1.6TB of data, with room for expansion. Basicly, it could hold the entire library of Congress on 6 of them, in TEXT format!!! Who knows, maybe 100 years from now we will just use our brain for data storage, and they'll download the data to a new body before we die. JUST a thought…don't flame!!!
Anyway, I think HD-DVD will win in the long run. Download speeds just aren't fast enough for HD Downloads/streaming right now. Maybe when they get enough bandwidth to fill up fiber-optic, then Downloads might have they're day.
Let the debate Begin!!!
(Again…)
Duped?!?!? I do not believe I've been duped son. The damn PS3 just came out it's still new what do you expect, do you want it to sprinkle pixie dust on you so you can fly. It's a brand new technology, there are bound to be kinks, let them work it out. I'm sure the 360 was perfect when it was released all those years ago right? More like Xbox 1.5! I personally am not too thrilled with the Xbox game line-up.
I am off subject a bit, I apologize.
I do not believe porn is the big guns, you can get all the free porn you want on the net anytime. Hell, I'm looking at some right now. I do own a PS3 and several BD's. I must say, they look amazing and I have not experienced one problem with my PS3, BD movies or anything. I own a 60 inch 1080p hooked up with HDMI and it is perfect.
By the by, in my kneck of the woods they can't keep PS3's on the shelves…
oh i forgot to mention, that another reason the formats will not die out is because of the creation, of TRUE HD, this is like the best idea, now hd-dvd supporters, can watch spiderman! and w/e else sony pictures, makes, but now the ? is will it still be awesome quality?
haha porn, thats funny but it's working…and man i support hd dvd just because i've seen it at best buy playing batman begins, it looked awesome, and also jarhead.. i don't really rember how jarhead looked because at the time i liked blu=ray more and didn't care about hd dvd, but thing's changed….and i seriously wanna get the add on for my 360, i'll be one of those millions enjoying true high def. at 1080i.
Now I have not heard that Universal is at the tail end of their contract. If that's the case and if they decide to go Total HD or Blu ray, than that would be problems for HD DVD. i don't see that happening, but murphy's law right? samething with the other companies w Blu. Now picking up the porn industry was a great move for HD DVD. If you think not ask Sony, who is now expressing remorse for the false information that disclosed they intentially shut the doors to the porn industry. No they welcome it now. You see HD DVD is the under dog here, they have nothing to lose. They have already done great to this point. Yeah sells of blu ray have increased because people were duped into buying a PS3, and found out gaming on it is terrible. Well let's see how movies look. but the sales of PS3 have slowed and will continue to die out. The sale of the HD DVD add on will continue, microsoft and Intel will continue to support hd dvd. movies will continue to be released. Witht he porn industry you have a whole new market to reach out to. So those millions of people who love pron, when they get a HD DVD player, will purchase the titles. And you know what else will happen? They'll purchase regualar HD DVD movies to? Tell me this is a stupid move by HD DVD…. I think Sony knows they screwed up on this one. Especially soon when on every porn web you'll see the marketing for porn in HD DVD.
Yea no one wants to buy the PS3. The majority of those who bought one were trying to resell it for money. Put it this way I have 2 friends who stood inline to purchase, tried to sell them, and got stuck with it. One tried to play it but it did not support 1080i, so it was useless. Meanwhile now that there are systems available, nobody is buying them. There is no reason to. Those who are interested are looking for good games, which it does not have. They are not looking at purchasing it soley for the blu ray. Those w the 360 are buying it for gaming, period. Now you have the option to purchase the add on seperately. Which is a great buy. I am glad Blu ray is coming with all they have right now…. HD DVD will weather the storm, and gradually snatch the market up when BD runs out of breathe.
Tim,
no I never had that problem and never will because I'll never own Blu ray. I have the 360 add on with my HD TV and it looks great. Tell me how they do it? I mean Sony. How can they continue to screw up? I mean do they like bad PR? Cmon HD DVD you can do it.
jaspers right about the stores not being able to sell the ps3 I can got to mulitiple stores in my small town and get the 60 or 20 gig systems any day of the week, but I dont want one of those upsets I had one and it is an upset compared to the 360 or even the wii. And if most hd dvd's and blue rays are being sold to those that have the next gen games systems(360 and ps3) the hd dvd will take the cake with no problem. I have the 360 now and love it to death, I also have the hd dvd add on for my plasma and it kicks a** compared to the ps3's blue ray on my tv. I think that the blue ray has compatablilty issues with tvs as well. The blue ray looked no better on my plasma then a regular dvd, but the hd dvd on the same plasma looks perfect. has anyone else had that problem?
Has anyone been to a BestBuy in the last few weeks? They can't give PS3s away, so there goes the Blu-Ray's future "installed " base, all thanks to a little game machine called the Wii.
Blu ray, Blu ray. Everyday Blu ray seems to besending out firmware updates because their players they put out are not performing the way they should. It's alomost like the players are even incompatible with the dam software. Tim you hit a good point with the 360 and the amount that are out there in the world. just give it a little time, more users will pick up on the 360 Add on. You never know it could drop in price soon. I am growing tired of hearing about blu ray being able to do this and do that. When it doens't even do anything except roll out a bunch of movies in M-peg2 format, that don't look any better than dvd. And if they do there are still blemishes to the movies, or the 1,000 players won't even play them. I hate being a fan boy, but sony has forced me into this position. i am dissapointed with what they did to the PS3. All of you out there who think it's great need to do their homework on all the many things Sony did wrong with it. In the end it's a cheap blu ray player. This war will wage on for a long time, I will always back HD DVD. In the end if Blu wins than fine, I'll wait until an affordable player hits the market. Or not even stress and just download movies from Xbox live. But I believe HD DVD is here to stay.
hey notafanboy
if there are so many users of blue ray from the ps3, compared to the xbox360 hd dvd drive, look at the numbers 10 million xbox 360 and growing that are getting hd dvd drives or will in time for only $200 or the few hundred thousand of ps3 owners using or planing on using blue ray. Even if there are only 20 percent of xbox360 user that get and use hd dvd drives that is 2 million people using and bying hd dvds. I think that it is much higher on the 360 drives or will be in the next few months. This being the case there will be more hd dvds sold due to this fact. If I had 7 times the users of hd dvds then blues rays in the gammers world it is a clear choice to me, hd dvd. Besides sonys release of the ps3 and its awsome power was way overrated, I bought one on the release date and got ride of it one month later. I agree with the dude erlier the game systems will decide the war.
Funny that the original article was written the week Blu-Ray movies first out-sold HD-DVD. We now have three weeks of movie sales data showing Blu-Ray increasing it's lead, week-by-week, over HD-DVD. The installed base of Blu-Ray players in now larger than HD-DVD drives, thanks to the PS3, and up to 80% of PS3 owners plan to buy Blu-Ray movies.
Regardless of what HD-DVD early adopters, and XBOX fanboys believe about technological superioritity… the market is choosing. More studios support Blu-Ray. More manufacturers support Blu-Ray. Player price is no longer a differentiator (at $500 the PS3 is the most inexpensive, and best quality Blu-Ray player on the market… HD-DVD supporter on avsforums are buying PS3's just to use as Blu-Ray players.) More movies are planned for release in 2007 on Blu-Ray than HD-DVD. The only HD-DVD exclusive studio did not announce any new titles at CES, and is reported to be at the end of their HD-DVD exclusivity contract. Even die-hard HD-DVD fans are getting worried that Universal is about to go (at the very least) multi-format.
In a last gasp attempt to claim an advantage, the HD-DVD supporters turned to the adult industry to try to draw a parallel between the VHS/Beta war, which some would say was won by VHS because of support from the adult industry. But, both Sony and the Blu-Ray standards body have denied there are any impediments to manufacturering adult content on Blu-Ray…. there's just a manufacturing back-log on discs because the number of games/movies that are currently being produced.
Promotionally, we're now seeing Blu-Ray movie adverts constantly on television, with very little mention of HD-DVD. Consumer awareness is swaying now to Blu-Ray.
The commercial advantages claimed by HD-DVD have all vanished. The technical and quality advantages claimed (by both sides) are all argueable. There's little reason to be optimistic about HD-DVD's future.
I think what we're seeing in this thread is a lot of early adopters of HD-DVD technology upset that they've invested in building up a library of movies in the wrong format, and grasping at straws and misinformation to support their choice.
At this point, it's obvious Blu-Ray won't be the format to go away, and it's in the consumers interests to bring the media war to a conclusion as quickly as possible.
Who is this Laughing Guy? 1080p and 720p are already almost 25 years old. And Apple sucks! The couldn't even get the patents rights on that horrible iPod. It's a piece of crap. Everyone I knows that gets one – as a present has to return it every two months as they freeze up all the time time, and Apple won't extend the original warranty when they replace it. Streaming will replace broadcast and Apple has got to be the most pathetic example of a "high-tech" company, way worse than even Microsoft. Maybe Apple will eventually get 1.5% of the marketplace if they start giving everything away! Steve is a complete moron. He gives a good speech, then sells crap. The iPhone or whatever they want to call it is way to late, and way to old. Doesn't anyone have any fresh ideas anymore. It should come with 50GB's from flash MMC/SD, etc., removable card; I have 8GB's, plus 160MB's in my 6 month old Nokia from Europe.
Please just put Apple out of there misery and stop purchasing their crappy computers and products. I can't wait until this is all over, and then he will just have John and him to oversee Disneyland/Disney World park rides for Pixar! They are so way over as of 1983!
I only think un-informed people would purchase HD-DVD. Blu Ray is providing a free disk to upgrade all recorders and players to 75GB by February. Also, every studio is behind Blu Ray except Universal, as of about 8 months ago, and they will continue to make discs in both formats. When you have Sony/Pioneer/Samsung, etc., making Blu Ray recorders and high-end players you know who is going to win. Sorry but VHS vs. Beta is not the point anymore.
Everyone with 1% computer knowledge and entertainment knowledge will want Blu Ray. I would love to back up my computer on a 75GB disc. And also HD-DVD is a generation behind Blu Ray, even though it was hyped so much as had so many delays. I think it is easy to see who will win. I prefer Blu Ray, and it has twice the pixels as 1080i. Actually, my Qualia 46" LED 1080p TV has much much more than that and I love my 100 or so movies in Blu Ray, and the scaling is much better to 1080i for low-res DVD's. Of course, I knew this was coming and so I stopped buying CD's and DVD's a few years ago and got rid of them all. Blu Ray will win – it also happens to have all of the major electronic mfg., support as well as every major studio. 50% of the major studios won't produce HD-DVD. I hope people aren't that stupid. I saw my first 1080p demo in Tokyo in 1979. It took this long for the stupid US to adapt even 1920×1080p? It's so sad. I hope we go to 4K as the new projectors and cameras can shoot and project within a year and have newer and better formats within the next 5-7 years. But 99.9% of the US are stupid, ignorant people. I don't even think that most US citizens have ever seen high-def in the past 5 years. And that's sad. To me it's already ancient technology. We should on to MPEG-7, MPEG-11, MPEG-15, 21, 25 or finally 28, or something much better. But leave it to the dumb morons in the US to chose an inferior format. It's a good reason to leave the country on top of all the other crap that America has become. A nation of idiots, and morons.
BigRich giving it all Charlie Big Potatoe's again i see. Blu-Ray hasn't been hacked the way HD DVD has just been…..SO YOU GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. The Blu-Ray Group said Blu-Ray will be hacked at somepoint and have an extra security measure in to down convert the movies but the movie companys said that they will not implement it unless they feel they have to
Also PS3 will use Blu-Ray for games EA have already stated this
The war will not be won be technology or price. The war will be won by content.
The average joe in the street (which I am one) does not care about techno crap and will pay more for content that they want. The fact that Disney is blu-ray only means thats most parents are going to go blu-ray to play their kids movies end of story.
Same for most people, when they go into a store and for 100 bucks more the blu-ray plays the movies they want then thats the one they buy. Not the cheaper one the one that delivers the content.
Sony won the war when they bought the movie studios, with only universal being HD-DVD only and the sony studios being blu-ray only guess whos the winner. Who wants a system thats does not play the majority. If universal changes its tune ot is bought then thats the end of HD-DVD.
ElBArto
I think the whole debate is moot – neither BluRay nor HD-DVD should win. My vote is for hard drives populated with downloaded movies. The downloads will be cheaper than buying a packaged and retailed disk; the time to download while long will be shorter than the time to travel to buy a disk or to wait for a UPS delivery. The hard disk can optimally hold large or small video files. Technologies will exist to stream the video from the hard disk to different types of displays (HDTVs, computers, iPhones). Incremental costs of additional hard disk memory is cheap and getting cheaper. For example a 250 GB drive costs $100 which is comparible to 10 25GB BluRay disks at a fraction of the cost. And if the BluRay disks aren't full, say only to 10 GB of video, then the drive holds 25 videos at $4 per video for storage. No contest.
So for me, it will be AppleTV or similar – with streaming from my computer based on downloaded video stored on hard drives. Simple. Right now the resolution isn't 1080p or even 720p but it surely will be in the near future.
The fanboys on both sides are ridiculous, although weighted in favor of HDDVD fanboys here.
Let's look at this reasonably:
Picture Quality: temporary advantage to HDDVD. This is just because Blu-Ray seems to have had some crappy transfers, not because the format itself is bad. Over time, both formats should have close to identical quality.
Storage: advantage Blu-Ray. However, this won't matter for most movies, as HD-DVD has plenty of space for movies. The storage advantage will primarily be for recording on computers, if prices drop quickly enough in the next few years. The unmentioned storage advantage for Blu-Ray is entire seasons of a tv show on fewer or just one disc. 6-7 disc DVDs to one hi-def format Blu-Ray seems more feasible than on HD-DVD, unless they use a lot of compression.
Gaming: PS3 is the only system that uses a high def storage system for gaming. That's not a small market, but still smaller than mainstream DVD. It still provides a small boost to Blu-Ray.
The XBox 360 offers a cheap HD-DVD addon, which is a good move, but won't be used for gaming.
Cost: temporary advantage HD-DVD. Blu-Ray is still more expensive for most players, although the discs seem to be about the same. They are close enough that the advantage probably won't last long. Neither format can remotely compete with the $40 DVD player and the large number of sub-$10 DVDs available.
Backwards compatibility: HD-DVD. Both players will play old DVDs, but only HD-DVD seems to be packaging a dual-format disc. That doesn't matter so much for the primary TV, but it matters for vehicle DVDs and portable DVDs and even old laptops with DVD drives.
Extra Content: temporary advantage HD-DVD. Blu-Ray still seems to be working out some of the details on their fancier options. However, most people don't seem to care about all the extras, fancy options, downloading trailers, and all that fluff. I may be biased by personal opinion here, as I rarely look at extras more than once. Many DVD options are rarely even added to discs by manufacturers.
Proprietary: psychological advantage HD-DVD. Despite the fact that Blu-Ray isn't like all those annoying formats like Memory Stick, UMD, MiniDisc, etc, that personally I detest, it still appears that way to a bunch of early adopters. This advantage isn't likely to affect the larger market much, which doesn't care particularly, judging by their purchasing habits. The general public doesn't hate these formats because of being controlled by Sony, they just didn't favor them.
Reputation: mixed. Sony has a bad reputation with geeks right now, but a good reputation in electronics. I'd say Blu-Ray has the advantage with the Sony name in the general market, but a disadvantage among many early adopters. HD-DVD has an advantage in the general market with their naming making an easier match with HDTV.
Durability: I think both discs are reported to be using, or able to use, new coatings that supposedly make them very scratch-resistant. How the hype will do in real world usage, I hesitate to say. No advantage yet.
Copy-Protection: Both losers. Supposedly both systems will support managed copies, or some such. Both systems lock down the consumer more than DVDs, although I read that HD-DVD keys may have been cracked past the point of easy fixing. Requiring special cables, and tvs with special features beyond 1080p support just to play the high def content, make both formats losers in my eyes.
Studio support: minor advantage Blu-Ray. The advantage is tenuous, anyway, as all studios wil support whichever looks to be the clear winner, even Sony's own studio.
I've probably left out a few options, and I will no doubt be bashed by fanboys. My take: I favor Blu-Ray, because it seems to have more long term potential, and because I want a realistic high capacity recording format at a decent price point. While BD-Recordables right now aren't cost-effective, 25GB, 50GB, maybe 100GB and 200GB discs that cost a few dollars apiece or less will beat out regular hard drives. That's only if the format can take off and they are willing to get costs down though, as dual-density DVDRs, for example, never dropped to a reasonable price, while DVDRs can be had for 25 cents each.
That's not enough of a reason for me to purchase Blu-Ray right now, so I'm holding off buying either system. I don't need HD anything, and I don't want HD badly enough to jump in with the early adopters. Early adopters get to take the risks, pay the higher prices, and suffer through the variable quality of initial transfers. All they get as advantages is a potentially sharper picture and better sound, that they can show off on their big screen tvs to friends, and the "fun" of engaging in fanboy flame wars online.
Flame wars can be fun, in the geek version of two male bucks bashing into each other, but it's more intellectually stimulating to watch people getting their crotches kicked on YouTube.
Well, alot of you know what your talking about! Especially Bigrich.
Facts are this:
-Blu-ray has less image and sound quality than HD-DVD, but it will not die out like many other sony formats, due to the Playstation 3.
-Sony's Playstation 3, is a superior next-gen console..but it's not truley greater or superior than Microsofts XBOX 360, IN! technical and graphical wise. But i only like these facts that comes with the console: Built in Wifi, and HDMI support. But fact is you can still get that with the 360, yeah u may have to buy it but it's still a feature right? so thats where i ask this question..HOW IS PS3 SO MUCH SUPERIOR THAN THE XBOX 360?
-bottom line is that it seems ppl think sony is really revolutionizing everything, but the truth is that i was a total sony fanboy i WAS!, NOT AM, and i went for the ps3 and blu-ray, when i first say blu=ray i liked it, but only because i saw a disney movie, and wat disney (pixar) movie doesn't look bad? even on dvd it looks amazing. But when i saw a preview of pirates of the carribean for blu-ray i was like???????? that's suppose to be high-def? Now the ps3, i so wanted it i couldn't wait nelonger, so i got the xbox 360 for the mean time. Well ps3 launched so i went to Wal-Mart to check it out, WTF YOUR TELLING ME THAT THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE GREATER THAN THE XBOX 360, WTF? NO WAY. Me and my two freinds who saw it all agreed with honesty that this isn't diff. from the 360's graphics..so wat happened sony? i dont get it?
Hmmm, that could be true. Is that why VHS won over Beta? Did Adult Films choose VHS?
It could be that will have much less influence on the outcome nowadays as any search in google, alot of times with the must innocent seeming of search terms, will turn up oodles of porn. I think it's mostly online now, if not, it is certainly the most dominent and successful business on the web.
Anyway, I think the real reason the movie studios (adult or otherwise) want to go to HD is to make movies so huge as to be impractical to download. I honestly think for most movies HD would be more of a distraction anyway as the stories aren't good enough to warrant the extra attention to detail HD requires. For instance, I think the whole LOTR trilogy would fall apart with the extra detail with the distractions of HD.
What could be the most factor was just defined today, Adult Films.
Blu-Ray won't support them at this time and it is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Pornogaphy could and in my opinion will be the deciding factor
It's clear there are alot of obsessive-compulsive gamers posting regarding HD-DVD. Fact is, whether the movie is laid on a Blu-Ray or an HD-DVD disk the format of the HD movie is the same (it's defined in the HD TV format and not by the physical medium it's on: i.e. HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or harddisk).
Given that, I'll take to medium with the biggest storage capacity (Blu-Ray at 50 GB now & 200 GB in the future). 200 GB allows the ripping of 20 of my DVD collection on one Blu-Ray disk & I can put the originals away as proof of purchase. Now combine that with a simple authoring system for the Blu-Ray interactive menus and the sure to come, Blu-Ray multidisk changer and you have a system loaded with choices and convenience.
HD-DVD was purposely engineered with minimal storage to make such useful applications of the excess storage available impossible. People supporting HD-DVD are robotic, me-too suckers who can't wait to throw their money away on whatever the latest and greatest is that is released first with no thought as to it's future utility. Then they go on public forums and moan like old fish wives to try and disguise their humiliation over their lack of self-control.
Anyway, a company is already ready to release a combo Blu-Ray/HD-DVD reader/burner this year making all the arguing silly.
Dr. B.
I like your analogy there. But I have to disagree. One of these new technologies are going to trump, errhummm HD DVD, and DVD will still be around but slowly fade away like VHS. It's just that the technology for Tv's need to drop in price. Rooskie your right the load times for the ps3 suck, they are only using that thing for the format war. Skip buying a ps3. If Blu ray wins, i won't buy there crap, i'll just download movies in HD from Xbox live.
dr. b you think that technology is going to stand still because people have dvds that meet there needs, hello at the time of vhs and the entrance of the dvd vhs meet the needs but that has all chagned because the people could get better picture quality, ect. The is a big difference in quality from dvd and hd dvd. The cross over will happen and soon.
When we study product wars we have to focus on the fact that what we are a looking at is the adoption of an innovation. Adoption takes place when an item has a relative advantage over an existing product. DVD players are sharp enough for most consumers. Just ask yourself, “Do I own a DVD audio player?”. DVD audio is better than CD audio by most people cannot hear the difference. Not enough to fork over the cash. It is hard to beat a product that looks great, is less than $100, plays my entire existing DVD collection, and allows me to back up the disks I give to my kid to destroy. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will not loose out to each other, but to up-converted DVD players. At least until I can get one for $100
Ps3 guy, Do you even understand how much space 200GB is?
Music: Entire libraries could be released on a single disk (The Complete Red Hot Chilli Peppers anyone?) Gaming: Since HD-DVD isnt used in gaming Blu-ray obviously would win
Music? Do you actually think you need 200GB to have everything the Red Hot Chilli Peppers did? A five minuites song takes up about five megabytes in mp3. So even with a 30GB disk, that gets you 6,000 five minuite songs! and I'm pretty sure they didn't release that many. And to fill a 200GB disk with five minuite songs, you would need 40,000 songs! Save your cash and get an IPOD.
And for gaming, Blu Ray isn't used either! The only reason they put it in is for movies. Sure it could be used for games but they would have the nastyest load times known to man! Thanks to the PS3's 256MB of memory. It may be useful for a 5000 hour rpg. But who wants to play a game that takes 7 months of non-stop gaming to pass. By the time they developed the game, it would be 2015 and Blu Ray will be a thing of the past.
Back to my point, Let's take a step back and consider how much 200GB is. Right now for movies and games 50GB is WAY more than enough.
And if you want Blue Ray for storage, just imagine how much a Blue Ray burner is going to cost! Wait for the HVD's.
I think that the thing that will be the biggest factor in the war is the gamming consols, and those that own them. There are more hd dvd drives and blue ray disc drives sold in gaming systems such as x box 360 and ps3 then there are stand alone units. There are 10 million xbox 360 and only several hundred thousand ps3 in the united states. if you were a suporter of upcomming hd devices and this was a major factor what way would you do? The hd dvd. I think that the quality on both is about the some (I have owned both devices, hd dvd and blue ray). To me the hd dvd is better because it is backed by the largest make of game consoles in the world, microsoft. And as far as the ps3 is concerned it is a tin can that is limited in its ability, and its maker sony should have done more to make its power useable. I have gotten ride of my blue ray drive and hd is for me
Your right PS3guy I went away from the whole HD vs Blu ray thing with this lil squirt who claims to have an IQ, but really is as sharp as a marble. It's only obvious that sometime this year microsoft will be releasing a 360 w HDMI. But HDMI is only imnportant to those who have TRUE 1080p TV sets. I believe the majority will have 720p/ 1080i so i don't see that as playing a huge factor. Although I do have a 1080p TV so it would be nice though.
As far as incorporating the HD drive in the 360, it was actually smarter to use the DVD drive which runs faaster than th Sony's Blu Ray drive which improves the performance of the machine. For Elder scrolls on teh 360 that DVD disk held 120 hours of gaming time. I mean if you need to play any longer than there would be hardly any point to the game because you would grow tired of not reaching the end. which is why we play games anyways right?
Also you can slap an HDMI cable on the Wii and that will not gurantee you will get the best graphics. It's all in the GPU which Microsoft's 360 has been found to be superior. you should do some research on the PS3, you would be surprised that when playing games the cell processor is not actually running at full capacity. They are saying the benefits of the chip is more for movie viewing. i mean yeah hey if Blu ray wins i guess i could buy a pS3 for movie viewing while using the 360 for games.
When it comes to graphics quality the PS3 has the advantage of HDMI support which the 360 can not do (because it has no HDMI port) and many Televisions can't squeeze 1080p out of S-video or Composite cables so theres a point to be made about the system. If yall want great unbiased reviews try the CNET review of the PS3 and the 360. They both clock in at 8.8 and 8.5 respectively earning both "excellent" ratings. PS3 isn't losing as many as "exclusives" as one would think and once SONY releases their new development tools they will regain support of the system.
That said the 360 has the advantage of a one year head start and a prior existing XBox Live system. But this isnt about the PS3 vs. the 360 which yall are turning it into. It's HD-DVD versus Blu-ray. The Blu-ray disks have the capability to just do more within a single disk and its applications are greater than one would admit. For instance: Movies: with 9 hours of HD video on a Blu-Ray disk series specials could be produced with less disks than with HD-DVD makingbox sets cheaper. Music: Entire libraries could be released on a single disk (The Complete Red Hot Chilli Peppers anyone?) Gaming: Since HD-DVD isnt used in gaming Blu-ray obviously would win here *laughs* Storage: 200 gigs of safe reliable storage is hard to beat.
Hey Gay Guy read this. I am telling you the blu ray drive is only incorporated for movie purposes. The ps3 is not going to be the gaming console of the future.
The Impact of Blu-Ray
It’s no secret that Blu-Ray is something that Sony has been trying to push as a key differentiator between the PS3 and the 360, but I’ll never truly believe the reason Sony has given for the decision to make it a standard item inside the PS3. With that said, there is a question that needs to be asked. Have we yet to see any signs of Blu-Ray having a significant impact? The answer thus far is no. There has yet to be a PS3 title that is showcasing anything that isn’t also possible with the 360’s standard DVD. Will PS3 titles have better graphics due to Blu-Ray? It’s highly doubtful that Blu-Ray will lead to better graphics because the PS3, due to split memory pools containing 256MB worth of GDDR3 memory and 256MB worth of XDR memory can at best dedicate 256MB worth of ram to textures at any given moment whereas the 360 uses unified memory for a total of 512MB. That alone is a major limiting factor to Blu-Ray’s space advantage.
Mark thanks for the information. I agree with you as well HD DVD is the format to back right now. Really though do you have the link so i can read about the 100-150 gig disk?
Actually, Toshiba has already announced an HD DVD that holds up to 100-150GB. They announced it at the keynote speech at this years CES. By the way, for those people out there that seem to think that Blu Ray wins, most major studios are suporting both. Some have even chosen HD DVD exclusively and as long as that happens, there will be no true winner. If I had to make a choice right now, my vote is with the DVD forum who has chosen HD DVD as the Nex-gen format medium.
Oh and RL get your facts straight. The hacker hacked both software formats, not just HD DVD. Bad for you because Blu ray's claim to faim is that the protection it has was untouchable. Cmon bro get it straight.
read it you fool
Warning: Some of this stuff may make your head hurt, but these are the facts as they stand right now. Enjoy the read:
XBOX 360 / PLAYSTATION 3 PERFORMANCE COMPARISON
SUMMARY
Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.
There are three critical performance aspects of a console:
• Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
o The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
• Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
o The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
• Memory System Bandwidth
o The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3’s by five times.
The Xbox 360’s CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one.
Cell’s claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors.
Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360’s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.
CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.
However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.
HD DVD is gay there is no reason to even debate with you. your just a simple minded lil twerp. Bro you probably don't even own a next gen system. Still sittin around bustin on your game boy. look 299 for the core system, 199 for the add on. That is 499.00 for a HD system. Where you born out of your mom's A$$. Why is the pS3 so much powerful? Because of the "CELL" processor? They don't even know what to do with the stupid thing. Sony had to run to NVidia for a video card because the incorporation of the cell processor fell through. HD is gay or your gay whatever your name is, they had a whole year to figure out what the PS3 could do, but they couldn't. With the holiday seasons arriving they said to hell with it lets get it out there. Put out some sorry game called fall of man where the aliens shoot neon stars at you. WTF is that? Boy get online and play gears of war and get a reality check son. Sony's online will never touch the 360's. And unless they get lucky almost all games with these exceptions ( gears, halo 3, Lost Planet, metal gear 4,and GT4) will be cross platform. And if you read up almost all game producing companies prefer developing games on the 360 rather than the PS3. So in the end the games will always look and run best on the 360. But no I must be talking out of my A$$ here. Word on the street Metal gear 4 will hit on the 360. Sony PS3 is running out of exlcusives here people.
Let's go over the Ps3- 599.00 for the system. Then you have to buy the 99 HDMI cable to run the hi def. That's 700 dollars alread, not including there is no dam remote to run the sytem with so you have to use the dam controller to navigate. can't use a regualr universal remote because of the blue tooth another idea Sony came up with in order to make you spend more money on their products. Also blu ray movies are more expensive so there you go having to pay more for the experience. And bro teh Wii console is crushing the PS3, the Wii. They say it's way more fun than the PS3. So what if it is the alighty of power, it sucks, you knowit, I know it, the gaming developers know it. Hell Al Aqaida your cousins probably know it.
HD DVD is gay you probably don't even work, stay home and have your mommie tuck you in. Don't sit here and act like you know what's going on just because you read up on these forums. when you get a clue what your talking about hit me up then.
but do u not see how ponitless your stupid rants are the facts are that the olny reason some people think that hd dvd looks better than bluray is the qualaty of the players the discs are being played on. hd dvd may have created a 45 gig disc so what blu ray has a 200g one so they are still getting powned. the only reason that peple still want to get an hd dvd player is the price but know there are bluray players for 599 so there advantage is gone also almost every major company is supporting bluray. also if u look at the 360 with the hd dvd add on its 698 higher than the ps3 and the ps3 is a more powerful gaming machine u dumb ass peice of crap.
The 360 murders the PS3 I have seen experienced it personally. I was an avid PS2 fan, disliked the original Xbox so this comes from someone who enjoyed the playstation product. But take a look around. Look at all the gaming websites. I am not the only one saying this. Their are full blown professionals out there claiming the PS3 to being a disaster. With that said finally someone in here who can make sense of Blu ray and why it's a somewhat quality product. Now PS3 guy, I have seen movies on Blu ray and the transfer from DVD to their hi def format produced nearly no big change. If anything it made the pic look worse. Why are they still use the M-Peg2 format for? HD DVD uses VC-1 and from every movie I have viewed has shown vast improvments in the color saturations and dark levels. I used to think Blu was the format to beat and that HD DVD had no chance. But when I had a chance to actually view the two side by side, HD DVD blew it out of the water. maybe it was because they were using that piece of crap samsung player that does not even do true 1080p, it scales.
But even with the new BD players, there are issues. Blank screens, incapable of playing movies. In need of firmware updates. What's with that? All that i can see is sony saying just get it out there and we'll fix it.
Maybe Microsoft should have put the HD DVD drive in the 360, hell there would be 10 million of them out there already. But from a gaming point of view the standard DVD drive within it is fine, matter of fact plays the number one game establisehed right now " Gears of War". Sony moved away from what the consumer wants, and what they gaming creators need. The ps3 is just a cheap option for a Blu ray player.
Was it smart to put a blu ray player in the PS3? We'll see. If they lose this war, I highly doubt it. Plus Blu ray disk, from what the experts say, has no impact on creating a good game.
PS3 guy me and my pops spoke about it this weekend. Blu ray is good for storage reasons, great for backing up your personal files. But when it comes to home theatre, be honest is a 100-200 gig disk needed? This will never be used for home theatre. Yeah the HD DVD made a triple layer 51 gig, but they made a point. If a disk is needed at a large capacity, they made one. You Blu ray backers be prepared for the launch of more HD DVD players, and be ready for more 360 users purchasing the Add on. It's a greta addition to an already stellar package with the 360, and it's a benefit to be able to step into the Hi Def format when your ready. HD DVD is Gay bro your just a little punk who's teeth i would crack if I ever saw you on the street fool.
I stand corrected on my comment about HD-DVD's size limitations as Toshiba successfully created a Tri-layer 51 GB disk. However it shows that in order to match a dual layer Blu-Ray disk you need three layers on a HD-DVD disk, not exactly an amazing feat. Irregardless the Blu-Ray Disk's potential is still exponentially higher than HD-DVD. (Funny how they got all worked up at Toshiba about achieving 51 GB while Sony and TDK play up in the 100 – 200 GB ranges)
i dont know how u guys could actually think that the 360 is the better more powerfull system im not saing that it wont sell more but for that idot roskie who sais that the 360 blows the ps3 out of the water well he is just stupid and im gonna say it again lets say that the ps3 sells 1/2 as much as ps2 thats still a huge amount of people who have bluray players
The movie studios loose profit when the codecs are hacked. Like HD DVD just was http://news.com.com/A+DVD+copy+protection+is+overcome+by+hackers/2100-1029_3-6150682.html?tag=cd.top
Bad news for HD DVD great news for us
Oh and the real difference I see between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is its ability to be used in the PC market. With HD-DVD not being able to match even half that of TDK's new prototype 200gb Blu-Ray disk as a person who has alot of data I would enjoy not losing the Blu-Ray disk presents an affordable and simple solution to my backup issues.
Lets face facts b4 we go at eachother. In terms of picture quality and audio Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are deadlocked. However Blu-Ray has a higher real capacity and much higher theoretical capacity than HD-DVD and will be useful not only in the field of movies but also in that of the data storage and recovery field. And lets not forget that eventually this comes down to Microsoft and Sony whose systems popularized the DVD format. Sony requires you to have Blu-ray while Microsoft offers it (incidentally if you add the wifi and HD-DVD capability to a 360 your cost is higher than the 60GB PS3) and based on the December tally Sony's 2 million sales figure compared to the sales figures for the HD-DVD addon to ALL 360's shows more people are exposed to Blu-Ray despite there being 10.4 million 360's out there and only 2 million PS3's (only a small number of 360 users have bought the addon) the Blu-ray has deeper penetration (albeit smaller theoretical penetration) but the disks are also outselling the HD-DVD disks already and the trend seems to be increasing. It is predicted that Blu-Ray will outpace HD-DVD 3.5 to 1 by the end of the 1st Quarter of 2007.
Also since all PS3 games are Blu-ray and Microsoft has not announced any plans to support games on its HD-DVD disks you are looking at huge name recognition by Blu-Ray versus little to none by HD-DVD.
Lastly more companies back Blu-Ray, More Studios back Blu-ray, Sony is standing behind it with all their might (and dont bring up Beta because even though it lost to VHS it still survived till 2002 and was a great piece of technology with a horrid marketing plan which in no way mirrors this new war) and you have more companies producing the consumer R and RW disks and more companies producing players (2 of which are sub $500 and thats NOT counting the PS3).
So while this war is far from over I would really sit back and rethink the side you are on and just watch rather than sling insults across the table. Ultimately the market will decide and thanks to the PS3 this time the Market has swung towards Blu-ray. Who knows what the future holds or which way it will swing next?
Just so we're all on the same page thanks to the "hard to find" PS3 sales Blu-Ray has outsold HD-DVD by a margin of 20% and theres a study by Twentieth Century Fox and Blu-ray expect it to outsell HDDVD by a margin of 3.5 to 1 ratio http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117
Sony back pedaling. I just read on the Hidef- digest that now Blu ray will allow the porn industry to release titles in their format. What is with the Blu-Ray association? Why can't they stick to their guns? They said no first now, it's ok? Sounds to me like Blu is a lil shook up right now. Too bad Digital plyaground already chose HD DVD. I see blu ray doing all they can to try and get that one back. idiots.
Rooskie,
Great post. you know it's hard to be in here when those who are Pro_ Blu ray are incapable of providing us with ample ammunition on why the PS3/ Blu ray is the future. Your right about sony and their lies to the public. I myself have been experiencing next gen gaming since last july, and I am thankful i finally made the transition. The Xbox 360 has impressed me on all levels and i see the justification behind the price I payed for it. I continue to look forward to the many more brilliant ideas microsoft/ hd dvd have in the future. I love the HD DVD add on it's the bomb I truly reccomend it to any 360 owner with a HD TV. As for these Sony fan boys they are in for a really big let down in 2007.
I'ts been a while, I gotta step in. Here is a classic example of a Sony fanboy:
all your arguments are stupid and point less the facts are that bluray is better than hd dvd it "WILL" have more movies come out for it it "WILL" have more players and "WILL" be realessing cheaper ones and by the way if sony sells just 50 million ps3's thats how many more peple "WILL" have bluray in the end bluray wins
(I only put quotation marks and caps in to make a point.)
"Sony WILL" thats all I'm hearin from the fanboys! They openly admit that Sony has nothing right now! But they still say their prayers every night hoping that they will someday live in a world filled with Sony products and they will be rewarded for their loyalty to the company. It's the exact same story with the PS3. It's horrible! The 360 came out a year earlier! And you know what are on the 360 vs. PS3 forums? "PS3 is only using 20% of it's performance right now!", "wait until some good games come out.", "wait until they activate the second cell chip in march!" "blah blah blah blah lies lies i'm a stupid fanboy". Why wait! I've been gaming next gen for over a year and fanboys are still waiting like retards with their heads cut off! Same with Blu Ray. soon we'll be hearing things like, "wait until Sony releases the Blu Ray player that has 500gb disks with a microwave and a terrorist killer!" Meanwhile Disney will be cool with HD DVD and we'll all be enjoying quality HD movies at home. Anyways Mr."hd dvd is gay", you've got a seroius case of B.W.S.F.S. (Brain Washed Sony Fanboy Syndrome) and The only cure is for you to not buy another Sony product for ten years and you absolutely must stay away from pro-Sony forums. Best of luck with that.
Ray,
I will respond to you because you unlike others show signs of intelligence. PS3 and blu ray will live on because i think they will have a hard time telling everyone that they need to system back in order to make the upgrade. It's just like the PSP and UMD they will just go hand in hand. I want you to all read this link. It just backs up my theory that Sony is no longer interested in being the top dogg in the gaming industry.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/755/755493p1.html
I have played the PS3 and man I was like this is it? My 360 blows that puppy out of the water. Oh but that's ok it still plays blu ray movies. Yeah I'll just get buy on that. I feel sorry for you idiots that go out and purchase this system to only recieve a half finished product. But Sony felt the pressure they knew it was getting too close to losing. I have no worries about titles coming out. Yeah so Blu tried to pull out this big assault. HD DVD will still have 300 titles coming this year if not more. Their players will always costs less than Blu rays pieces of junk. And the picture quality will always look better. And with the addition of Total HD, all movies will soon hit both platforms. Sony thought this was going to be easy. They thought it was over b4 it started. But look who won last year. And the past is a reflection of what is to come. I tell you what their are plenty of PS3's at stores everywhere. I won't buy that piece of junk until it's 300 or less. That goes for a lot of people in this world.
all your arguments are stupid and point less the facts are that bluray is better than hd dvd it will have more movies come out for it it will have more players and will be realessing cheaper ones and by the way if sony sells just 50 million ps3's thats how many more peple will have bluray in the end bluray wins
Yeah, i think ur right Bigrich. Blu-ray will be the only Sony format that won't die out, and why you may ask? All because of the ps3…yup thats their backup, but like HP TV NUT, said how many consumers actually watch blu-ray from the 1-million that they've sold? its all because of the gaming that they have to use it for, only ppl with hdtv's prbly actually…once in a while…watch some BD movies, but others, just want to game, and watch movies in DVD. But in reality HD-DVD is the one that actually sell's due to consumers, who actually want it. And HD-DVD is still the high-def format that actually delivers.
I guess you must be in time out right now so I'll lay off you. Don't want to hurt your feelings. One thing that needs to happen in order for HD DVD to really put the nail in the coffin. Disney needs to release their movies on both formats. Once that happens, say goodbye to Blu ray as a movie format. I do believe Blu ray will not dissapear though. The large amount of space can be used for other important reasons. In the end I wish it was already over so i can start enjoying all titles available on HD w/o having to have both players.
Are you sexually deprived kid? Or are you not even legally able to buy condoms yet? Why are you even in this forum for? Write something that makes sense, and then maybe we can debate over which is better. Quit wasting other people's time, and this forums space with your idiotic responses. If you like Blu ray so much then sell me on it. Why should I switch sides? What is it that you know, that I don't? If you have something than bring it.
listen all u guys are just 40 year old virgins who are completely obsesed with hd dvd and make stupid insignifucant rants that are 40 pages all and in the end you are all wrong
Jon,
I agree with you. I don't mind the bashing of the formats to prove your point. But that last post was just unecesarry. But what do you expect from someone who supports Blu ray? Intelligence?? HA HA HA! Go HD DVD!
Sorry to have to step in here and remove a couple of posts. Insults and coarse language are fine, but try to keep it out of the gutter. The trash will be taken out at my discretion.
Listen to this guy right here, he sure has a hard time spelling. It seems that all Blu ray supporters are just lame, ignorant people. Blu ray is an overrated, overpriced high definition technology. Now Blu ray is capable of being of importance for companies, or even service branches for storage reasons. Other than that when it comes to home theatre, the format is not needed. I do not understand why disk space is such a huge factor. To me 30-50 gigs is more than enough space to enjoy a Hi Def movie, and if i have time I will check out the special extras. To all you Blu ray people i was once neutral and thought Blu ray at first was better. That was because it sounded great on paper. but when my eyes were first exposed to the 2 formats, HD DVD clearly stood out. Now I am truly dissapointed in Sony and what they did to the PS3. It's terrible for gaming. Which I think Sony really doesn't care about. I believe they are more interested in sticking a Blu ray player in your house, rather than the best gaming experience they can offer you. For this reason i will not be buying a PS3. As for the add-on HD DVD player, it's the ish. Yeah in the end it costed me 600 dollars to attain. But the benefit to the HD DVD add on is that "you" get to decide when your ready to step into High Definition. You can take your time, save the 200 extra dollars, and go and buy it. And if you do not want it, that's ok because the 360 is still focused on being the next best gaming console. Blu ray fans can't you see Sony is trying to screw you for all your money? Probably not because you all have to be mentally challenged in order to think Blu ray is the superior format.
lidten u stupid hdvd nubish fags how do u not get it more space better support from companeis cheaper players will come out with so many companies supporting the format so stop giving stupid arguments that dont make sense by the way an xbox 360 with hdvdv upgrade is 698 without tax
Why go with Blu Ray either?Just stick everything on a HP Home Server and become a HD DVD supporter because all Blu Ray have is their space.
SO GIVE IT TO THEM!GIVE THEM THEIR OWN PERSONAL SPACE!ENOUGH SPACE SO THEY LOSE THE WAR!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I think HD DVD will win because you haven't brought in the fact that you will struggle to find upon all the makers of Blue Ray players one that suits you whereas with fewer manufacturers prices will stay even over the market of HD DVD and it'll be much easier to find what you are looking for.Aswell as Intel and Microsoft also support HD DVD
wow, just because of the ps3, blu-ray is selling, but otherwise hd dvds are really the ones that are selling. I just hate that fact though that sony was so scared, they decided to put a blu-ray player in the ps3 so they will sell, lol they force us to buy somthing we dont need. Sony is really pissing me off now it's not even funny. LOSERS!! hey wat happened to Bigrich, he hasn't posted in a while now.
Releases from Studio Canal on HD DVD
- Ali
- Arizona Dream
- Basic Instinct
- The Elephant Man
- L'Armée des Ombres
- La Cité des Enfants Perdus
- La Grande Vadrouille
- La Haine
- Le Cercle Rouge
- The Graduate
- Le Pacte des Loups
- The Pianist
- Three Days of the Condor
- Million Dollar Baby
- Mulholland Drive
- Serpico
- Terminator 2
- The Fog
- Traffic
- The Deer Hunter
Blu-ray claims the war is over:
http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html
How many PS3 are really attached to HDTV's? How many game titles are available on PS3? I think that movie studios will have to make a move in 2007. If more HD DVD movies are available or purchased the Blu-ray camp will probably start making Total HD disks like Warner.
More on HD DVD from CES
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2080459,00.asp
I made a mistake in one of my earlier posts… I talked about getting an HD-AE2 when it comes out, what I should have said was an HD-A20 1080p. I am lucky enough to have a second HDTV that only does 1080i and I can migrate the A2 to it and use the A20 on my newer 1080p set. Has anyone seen the A20 yet?
More news from CES… Did Blu-Ray announce anything like this? HD DVD's Ethernet port will allow you to download HD Trailers from HD DVD studio websites… Now we all get more than our money's worth…
i messed up in one part. here it is again
alright i'm more informed now, i just saw the new sony blu-ray player yesterday, it is better quality than the samsung player, but i still am not convinced that it's better than ne hd dvd player out right now, but blu-ray fans don't get mad, because like i said it's still very nice quality…..but the thing is it's mostly great quality on the ppl, but even then with a dvd player u can see that kind of pic, but the backgrounds……?? wats going on there i dont see the high-definition there. it sucks because they had the new a2 toshiba hd dvd player, but they didnt have it on. I wish they did because i do wanna see wats new with it and stuff…….either way hd dvd still does have better quality.
alright i'm more informed now, i just saw the new sony blu-ray player yesterday, it is better quality than the samsung player, but i still am not convinced that it's better than ne hd dvd player out right now, but blu-ray fans don't get mad, because like i said it's still very nice quality…..but the thing is it's mostly great quality on the ppl, but even then with a dvd player u can see that kind of pic, but the backgrounds……?? wats going on there i dont see the high-definition there. it sucks because they didn't have the new a2 toshiba hd dvd player, but they didnt have it on. I wish they did because i do wanna see wats new with it and stuff…….either way hd dvd still does have better quality.
i would just like to say this site was very informative. i have a xbox hd dvd player and its great. the blue ray players are more expensive and have tha same picture quality as the hd dvd so i belive it is a smarter purcheous. thanks
k thanks hp tv nut, and it even says on the site that there's more manufactureras making hd dvd players, like onkyo and brodcom? cool i guess
Toshiba announces 51GB HD Dvd disk http://www.dvdtown.com/news/hddvdgoesbeyond50gbwithnewdisc/4260
I will never bash Blu-ray… but I do own an HD-A2, and I will probably buy an HD-AE2(1080p) when it comes out.
Here you go Ray.
Do a search on 51GB or scroll down to about the middle of the page. Like Blu-ray it will be available at some time in the future.
http://www.engadgethd.com/category/hd-dvd/
Here's another one BigRich
Comments from the Adult Entertainment industry on how expensive it is to produce Blu-ray disks
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/
Now imagine if someone figures out how to get the price of HD DVD XXX movies down to around say $20.00? They could DRIVE people, who have just bought that shiny new 50" HDTV plasma, to say "I need and HD DVD player!" Here's one for the XXX industry: Give away a "Free" HD DVD trailer/demo disk for signing up for 1 year on one of their online services…
yeah exactly Bigrich, ur totally right all blu=ray supporters say is "blu-ray will win, beacause it has larger capacity, and more manufacturers" oh wow, where's all the other facts?? facts like how us hd dvd supporters, find and show how great hd dvd is doing?? thats right….stick to ur 50gig and manufacturer's story, cus u aint got no other proof. Oh and bigrich where did u find the new 51 gig hd dvd? can u give me the link because i can't find that
Excellent article with comments from the Adult Entertainment camp
http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=hardware&articleId=9007911&taxonomyId=12
It's funny but this porn situation could just be the back breaker HD DVD has been waiting for. Heck i mean I got a girl, couple of kids, but shoot I'll buy a Porn in HD DVD just to see what it looks like. Heck I might buy a few. Point is Blu Ray seems to be complacent with the studio support it has right now. I like what HD DVD is doing. It's reaching out to more resources. It's keeping their options open. Yeah disney is a huge corp, I would love to have them backing HD DVD, but this move Sony made is bad. Way to go HD DVD to not turn down entertainment for teh adult population. Think about how big this industry is!!!! OMG. Great news for HD DVD. Notice that Blu ray supporters really don't have much to say? Except larger space on the disk, and more studio support. It just seems to me that HD DVD knows what they are doing, and are attacking this war the way they need to. I mean they had to have been waiting on this decision by Blu ray. They probably told the porn industry, look we know you want to go Blu ray but if it does not work out, call us! And they did and now look at the market they can reach out to. Thanks to everyone for providing such great info.
Ray, HP TV NUT Seabass.
HD TV and HD DVD fit good together dont you HD DVD fans think so?BLU-ray and HD TV just dont mix!I hope HD DVD wins.
The first ever HD Adult movie is on HD DVD!
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=280951
Wicked Pictures and now Digital Playground
We should expect Vivid next. Don't knock the Adult industry with $4.28B in sales/rentals and over 1 billion units sold in 2005. The numbers are staggering. Digital Playground has been filming and editing in HD for 3 years and they claim they will release 150 titles on HD DVD…
Adult studio drops Blu-ray and releases on HD DVD
http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/16901.html
alright, a guy who posted a vid. on youtube, he himself said that the 360's add on hd dvd drive with component cables, looked about the same or better than the stand alone player with hdmi….wat does that say…??? that says that u dont need no bull crap hdmi, the only reason hdmi is "needed" is for the fact that not all tv's support 1080p with components due to older tech. in the tv, but component will support 1080p. Big rich, hd dvd is doing a smart thing making a 51 gig disc, this will prove that this much storage isn't needed to give superior image quality, and perhaps there doing it to shut the br fanboys mouth's up.
Fact that Blu Ray player is first generation and is a piece of crap. If you want to buy that by all means.
Fact that Blu Ray player is first generation and is a piece of crap. If you want to buy that by all means.
Just a slight correction BigRich, HD DVD disks are cheaper to manufacture meaing more profit for the Movie Studios…they are not necessarily cheaper to buy…
I have a question for everyone: In the research conducted by 20th Century Fox and Blu-ray they found that Blu-ray software sales have surpassed HD DVD by 20% and they blame it on the PS3. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/
What percentage of those software sales were movies? Even better, what percentage were PS3 games?
The game maybe OVER for Blu-ray, AVN just announced it will not be producing HD porn on Blu-ray because Sony pressured the BD disc copying facilities by threatening to withdraw their licenses if they produced pornographic material on BD. This is a HUGE coup for HD DVD and Sony handed it to them! Read it and weep Blu-ray fans!http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/83552
Fact: You can now get Blu -Ray DVD players for $600. Check best buy and circuit city web sites if you don't believe me. The HD -DVD player still sells for $500.
Hd-DVDs and Blu-Ray DVDs, sell for the same price. HD-DVD are not cheaper they still sell for $20-$35 just like Blu-ray, I have no idea where people are getting this "HD-DVD are cheaper B.S." Check CC and BB websites.
I would like a player that does both formats but I'm waiting for a pioneer elite, that LG thing looks like crap. I got a PS3 and didn't ask for it for christmas, so it was a really cool surprise. I had to buy a few blu-rays to see how they worked out. You really need a 1080P TV to get the full experence out of it.
If you have a Fry's store near you, they sell Blu-Ray discs starting at $15. I bought one for $10 there and another for $25 at circuit city, which Frys sold for $20 but i didn't know that at the time.
Sony still uses M-PEG2 for the codecs. Movies look like crap. They are attempting to use M-PEG4 soon. Studios are crossing their fingers that it looks good. So Blu ray states they have a disc of 100 gigs. What does that have to do with consumers? Please tell me why such tech is needed? Especially with disks???? If you need that much space get an external harddrive, where you don't have to wrry about the thin layer disk scratching and ruining over time. I mean soon thumbdrives will be able to store that much. We don't need space for movies, we need quality. That is what HD DVD offers, and brings to the game. Those who back sony and BLU ray have to already see the lack of pic quality.
I don't really care for either format, but let me say that after reading the spec sheets of both format over at Wikipedia, the ONLY advantage for HDDVD is being cheaper to manufacture. This advantage will eventually disappear quickly enough.
Content wise, both format has solid contents from movie studios and game consoles.
Capacity wise, it's hands down blu-ray with up to 200GB compared to HD-DVD's 51GB.
Transfer Rate wise: same at 36MB/s
Codecs: Same for both formats (VC-1 will be supported by blu-ray)
Amount of manufacturers: Blu-ray, all the main ones Samsung, BenQ, Lite-On, JVC, Panasonic, etc. This will lead to price competition and vast choices.
In any case, I don't really care about either format as I don't have an hdtv, but it seems that us customers should support one format, it should be the blu-ray. As for Sony haters, please realize that Blu-Ray is an association of several industries, not just Sony.
Talking to Blu ray Fan boys is like talking to a brick wall. They are brainwashed with this idea that the technology is superiour. All because of disk space. That's what it ever comes down to now. Which is retared cause HD DVD rolled out a 51 gig disk. Please tell me why you would need any more space? HP TV NUT thank you for touching base on companies who are finally saying WTF? Why do we have to spend so much on these disks when HD DVD is way cheaper. And offers a more superior picture.
HD DVD will have enough titles to hold it's own for at least another year. By the end of this year HD DVD players will be even more affordable, with companies like lite-on releasing their own players. The only, and last thing Blu has going is the support from Disney. Once Disney decides to release on both formats, it's over.
Then the PS3 will have this useless Blu ray drive in it, and people will be pissed forever at Sony to have being charged for such a waste.
Sony refused to add certain "customer friendly" technologies to Bluray so HP, who was a HUGE Bluray backer from the beginning, went with HD DVD and starting shipping them in their M7690n Media Center PC's in earlier in 2006, as well as a stand-alone add-on HD DVD USB drive and a dv9000t HD DVD notebook. Read these articles: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/051216a.html
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/12/19/hp_goes_hd-dvd/
I guarantee you that WAY MORE people watch movies on their PC than on a gaming console!!!
One thing that everyone forgets to mention on the Bluray side is that all of the smaller movie production companies, as well as some of the larger ones, are complaining loudly about the increased cost to produce "QUALITY" Bluray disks. The HD DVD camp will have over 600 titles available by mid 2007… and their production costs will either remain the same, or actually go down… In the end, why did everyone HAVE to buy a DVD player?
Because you could no longer find VHS at Blockbuster or any neighborhood video store. If an HD DVD costs the same as(or less than) a regular DVD, or if HD DVD comes out with a Combo Format (See Miami Vice HD DVD)for the same price, Joe Consumer will decide which format will be the clear winner!
Let all hope HD DVD Wins! Sony's Blu-Ray format is good for industry but bad for consumers that want more freedom of their content and less control!
I just bought the 360 add on and the HD DVD movies look great. I am so glad that Microsoft is offering the HD DVD drive as a secondary drive so I can dedicate it to playing movies. I have learned my lesson wearing out the drive on my previous console by using it as a DVD player.
If I buy a PS3 I would not use it to watch movies. I wouldn't want to wear out such an expensive console. From that perspective, having the Blu-Ray drive in PS3 is not a selling point.
It's the TV room, stupid!
Who controls the remote? Who just bought the 42 inch new Hi Def Plasma with Hi Def somethin' or other? Joe Average 42 year old daddy, remote control freak, that's who! He never touches the stupid XBox or PS3 and he'll decide on the new movie player. He'll look at the Blockbuster shelves, and the price of the player. If Blu-Ray players are > 25% higher than HD-DVD, AND if HD-DVD movie availability is remotely similar he'll go for HD-DVD. If HD-DVD movie availability is next to nothing and Blu-Ray is > 25% higher he'll wait. If Blu-Ray players are within 25 % of HD-DVD he'll go for Blu-Ray (There'll be lots of movies!).
Storage-schmorage, burner-schmurner. For Joe it's the movie and the TV and the beer and the Lazy-Boy.
I'm a techie junkie, but have to meter out when I can afford to buy new toys. I held onto bonus money for 3 years waiting for HD sets to come down in price, bought a Toshiba 1080i a couple years ago and have Time Warner HD channels (but settop does not have HDMI interface). I had also bought an LG DVD player which upconverts and has an HDMI interface not long after I got the HD tv. The up convert is nice, but dark scenes are a little grainy.
But I am not going to put down $400 or more for a HD DVD player and start buying HD DVD discs if that format may fizzle out.
The industry greed has hurt itself. I just read where LG is planning to produce a player to play either … but dunno if that is an answer either.
So, I will probably hold onto my money and not buy either …
I also wonder if my 1080i Toshiba can handle a 1080p signal, or not at all .. or what, any ideas out there?
Some folks say 1080i looks blurry in action scenes. I was watching fox HD football game and every so often there were *very* noticible blurs when the camera moved quickly across the field .. I *assumed* it was something on fox's end as I never saw that on any other HD channels ..
This negative buzz that you are talking about it primarily caused by articles such as this, that presuppose that HD-DVD is winning because of buzz. Who will win the format war? How about talking about storage space? Blu Ray is ahead and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. How about talking about the fact that Sony plans to have 6 million PS3's out by March? You talk about computing being in HD-DVD's favor even though the majority of computer makers support Blu Ray. Also if someone wants a drive for their computer, wouldn't most people go for the one with the most storage? What about movie studio support? Blu ray is way ahead again. You really don't have any facts in this article to support your assertion that HD-DVD won round one. To whoever said that a 50GB HD-DVD exists, it is a prototype. If you want to talk about prototypes then there is a 200GB Blu Ray by TDK. To whoever said that Blu-Rays are less durable, they are actually more durable. The reason why HD-DVD players are cheaper is because they are subsidized because they know that they are losing. This format war will be over by the end of the year.
We have a panasonic upconverter w/ HDMI output. Watching std def Star Wars III upconverted looks absolutely awesome on our 1080i Bravia. Hard to imagine needing a picture any clearer than that. I saw a demo of the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive and was surprised by the following features:
1) The flexibility provided by the scripting language that allows movie studios to allow you to call up directors comments at any point in the movie. No need to load a seperate version of the movie. Just a small example of the power of the language built into the HD-DVD platform.
2) ability to save favorites on the internal memory of the drive, also part of the spec. Allows you to quickly go to specific points in any of your movies.
3) The fan on the Xbox 360 goes silent (at least I couldn't hear it) when playing an HD-DVD movie. I don't care about the noise when playing video games but I do when relaxing to watch a movie.
Corey,
In response to some of your comments. Do you think it was a wise decision to add the blu ray drive into your gaming consloe when you are unaware of whether your format will end up winning the war. Also why would you buy a pS3 to play movies? Why stress your Blu ray drive? Do you want to get a Disc read error again? Cause I know i had a few of those with my previous systems. Hey and you know what I am one of the 360 owners who did go out and purchase the HD movie player. it came with a free copy of King Kong, and a universal remote. I mean Talladega nights is a good movie, but I here the transfer over to blu ray was terrible. I mean king kong just looks awesome.
Now there are HD movies everywhere. I am not sure on where it is your shop. I have 6 HD movies Batman begins, superman HD, King kong HD, Van Helsing HD, corpse bride HD, and Hulk HD. They are fantastic. i think it is unfair to have to pay so much to get a gaming system you want, and be forced to have to pay for a BLU ray drive, that might be worthless by next year. Another one of Sony's bullying tactics. Also the sales of the PS3 are false. Plety of those sold systems are sitting at people's houses waiting to be sold on PS3. Another reason PS3 is tanking and not helping Blu ray. There games suck! So i am going to buy a gaming console to watch movies? Retarded. So no rush for me and I love to game. Also how many people want to buy a PS3 that don't have an HDTV. Just be cause they don't have one doesn't mean they don't want the next gen in gaming. So now they have to fork out an addition 200-300 bucks for that experience. Sounds like Sony is doing things the right way. Yeah right.
The xbox 360 has sold over 10 million units world wide and with that comes the HD DVD drive. Clearly a large number of owners have the HD DVD drive. (which is useable on a pc, with a few added drivers with Win XP and out of the box with Windows Vista). The price point for HD DVD is cheaper, not only at retail but also to the development. They both output the samething (1080p, 7.1 ect) The only advantage that Blu-Ray has in capacity. And that will be mainly used for backing up information, not watching movies.
Why does Sony always do this? Sony is a good company with good products, though I don't think i'll be buying a PS this time. $700 for video game system is nuts! Anyway I have no idea why they always have to take a working format, make it slightly better, and then make the new format incompatible with every other format out there. A few examples Beta/VHS, Memory Stick/SD cards or compact flash at the time, 8-centimeter cds/mini disk, UDM or what ever it is that PSP uses, and now HDDVD/blu-ray.
Like most other Sony products there idea is better, but why does it have to cost twice as much? Yes I understand it cost twice as much to produce but if you weren't trying to convert an entire industry to something that is larger then they need it probably wouldn't be an issue. Personally I really don't want either format. I want video on demand. If ATT and the cable companies ever implement VDSL (50 – 100Mbs).
They are both creepy and intrusive. As big F you we the public, should reject both and go with an open source, encryption free tehnology. The idea of having to trash a perfectly good monitor and HDTV (no HDMI with HDCP, you're S.O.L.)in order to see the High-def image from blu-ray or HD-DVD is ridiculous. Enough already. Hollywood's incessant whining, and lobbyists about hypothetical dollars lost, is non-sense.
The Open Source community will once again come through.
Which format will win? I don't care, because I won't buy either one of them any time soon. If I buy a movie, I want to be able to do anything I want with it which includes ripping it to my pc, saving it on NAS and streaming it wireless to my HDTV. My wireless media player will play whatever movie I want with a click of my remote, and I'm not worried about changing out discs, or about scratches that have ruined my disc. The picture looks just fine, and it's really the movie that is important to me, not 1080i vs 1080p. Neither one of these formats will enable this, and until they do, I'll stick with good old consumer friendly DVD's.
I think that the frist comment makes sense but it is not realistic. First, it is almost impossible to find a PS3( at $499 at least) unlike a HD DVD player. Second, why buy a video game console and dont buy GAMES!! so you will feel compelled to fully utilize this device and start buying games for 50 a piece! if not, why buy a game console for??? Most people would buy the DVD player just for that, DVDs. Also like Samsung lowered its BlueRay player, Toshiba(and the rest of the crowd) will lower their HD DVD players quick and then you'll have a gap that SONY wont be able to stop…take care, AP.
One thing I think could be an advantage to HD-DVD over Blu-ray that isn't talked about very often is the durablity of the discs. HD-DVD disks are like regular DVD discs with the data encoded deeper from the coating than in Blu-ray. I believe that Blu-ray discs will be much more susceptible to scratching and anyone who has kids or gets movies from Netflix or other rental places knows that even regular DVD discs have a hard time. Blu-ray may fail on this problem alone
I am not a big fan of Sony and their desire to control formats, but there is some misinformation about the "failure" of the MiniDisc format. The MD format (as well as DAT) was a failure in the US because of RIAA and their copy protection schemes and royalties they demanded which made them cumbersome and expensive here.
I was in Tokyo in 1996 and you could go into music stores and find equal numbers of MD's and CD's and most of the newer stuff had more MD's in stock. Some you could rent a MD or CD for a week like at Blockbuster and they sold blank MD media (this was right before computer CD-R really hit mass market).
If you went into an electronics store, portable MD and CD player prices were about the same price with the MD being smaller of course. You could also find MD supported by most electronics manufacturers in Japan, they never received that kind of support in the US.
I am still waiting a little longer before I decide which one to go with, the LG combo player looks interesting.
Blue Ray will win out in time. Too many people will purchase PS3's so the demand will be there once they really start rolling. Honestly, if you have a 360, are you going to take the extra time to go out, buy the HD DVD add on then go look for movies? The PS3 was smart by including the blue ray as part of it's package.
See, once you have the PS3, you already have the player so the blue ray demand is there immediately. How many HD DVD add on's have sold for the 360?
Lastly, I have seen tons of movies in Blue Ray, yet none in HD DVD. Also do you thinkn Sony Movie Studios will release movies in HD DVD….maybe, and only if they have to.
Do yourself a favor, back the winner….Blue Ray will win out…PS3 will see to it!
What makes Blu ray better? More space? nope HD DVD just came out with a 51 gig disk. higher resolution, nope HD DVD does 1080p. More companies in support? Maybe. Only time will tell if they will switch over. Disney has not done much as of yet. I'll give you that, disney is a back breaker. But with the dual format discs, it just might persuade the other companies to make discs in HD DVD format. Which would be smart why not tap into the market until a succesor is chosen? Byt time BLU ray players drop in price, so will HD DVD. And be ready cause there are plenty of companies getting ready to mass produce HD DVD players outside of Blu ray. Companies from Lite on- to Onkyo. So there will be even less expensive hardware out there for consumers to choose from. Hey blu ray fan boy, if it's sucha good technology, why do the stand alone players get such poor reviews. And there are even instances where movies will not even play on them. Recently the descent was released on Blu ray and it would not even play on the sony stand alone player. Only worked on PS3. What kind of crap does the Blu ray camp keep pushing out. Sieg53 it's a terrible choice for the next gen. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. unless you work for sony, they really do not care about you as a consumer. They have always been interested in Hyping up their technology and overcharging for it. Here is the article I am speaking of.
Blu-ray will win. I will give you the reasons. First, the price of players will come down due to simple economics. Look at the first hd dvd players that came out. Second, more production company support gives blu-ray the advantage. Universal and New Line are the only two major movie companies that solely support hd-dvd. blu-ray has disney, paramount, sony, fox, warner bros. If hd-dvd will make win it must hope that Universal stays solely on their format because without universal hd dvd dies due to lack of exclusive productions companies. This all boils down to disney versus universal, sony versus microsoft, and who can get the most big name backing. Disney will win out(movie sales and popularity), Sony will win out(PS is the most popular name in gaming, no matter the price) and blu-ray will dominate. The upside to bluray is better. It's like the NFL draft. Which player has the best upside. The clear answer is blu-ray.
Warner just announced that they will be releasing movies in both formats on one disk Total HD!!! http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/Total_Hi_Def/Warner/Disc_Announcements/CES:_Warner_Intros_Total_HD_First_Titles_Due_Second_Half_2007/430
LG is selling a player that can read both formats for about $1199.00 http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/LG/Hardware/CES:_First_Details_on_LGs_Blu-ray/HD_DVD_Dual-Format_Player/420
Even more interesting, Toshiba announced the new HD-A20 for $599.00 with 1080p!!! http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Toshiba/Hardware/CES/CES:_Toshiba_to_Debut_New_Mid-Priced_1080p_HD_DVD_Player/418
HD DVD all teh way. Blu ray is over rated, and definetely over hyped. They no longer can use storage space as a reason to purchase their products. HD DVD just rolled out a 51 gig HD DVD, 1 gig more than current BLU ray disk. So now HD DVD has a disk that fits more info than BLU. Ohhhh I can hear the panis now. I agree with most of you. Storage space should not be the reason why this format should be won. It should be pic quality, which HD DVD romps in. And pricing, which once again is in favor of HD DVD. i think toshiba has produced some slick looking machines, that actually live up to their performance promises. Blu ray just doesn't sound like the next step in Home theatre. HD DVD just makes more sense. It's self explanatory. makes it easier for consumers to know what they are buying. The Ps3 is a huge disapointment. And like I said B4 I think sony could care less if it's the gaming platform of the future. They are more interested in selling it as a Blu ray player. Funny thing is so they use these numbers on how X amount of PS3's have been sold. Go to gamepro.com they have a write up on how PS3's just sit on shelves and don't get sold. And a vast majotiy of them are being returned by those people who thought they would make a killer profit on ebay. And imagine all the conoles out there not being used, were only purchased for profit reasons. And the people who bought the system and do not even own a HDTV.
In my eyes Toshiba and HD DVD has done everything the right way. Sony is playing dirty doing all they can to push BLU. Right now I think Sony knows if this format loses, they are in huge trouble. I vote HD DVD as the format of the future. I would rather go with a company who cares about my best interest(consumer, than some company that could care less if I go broke using their technology, and totally abandon the 200 titles in DVD I already have.
My prediction? There are too many hit movies out in both formats and early adaptors have bought both formats. Just like the "war" between +R and -R writable CDs and DVDs was resolved by dual capability players, so the HD war will be resolved by dual players. Sure the current $1000+ price is daunting but that will come down over time. Once HD or Blu Ray gets the audio and video to HDMI the quality is identical so the only technical difference is max size (a significant difference to some, including me, who like loads of extras) but by in large, the movie is what people watch and that looks the same on either format. THE FORMAT WAR CAN STOP – PEACE CAN REIGN !!!
HD-DVD is the format of the future. Blu-Ray bosts that they can fit more information per disk but neglect to mention that even TV Series dont take up all the space. What is the advantage to pay more for some thing just to to the future possibility? The Blu-Ray drive on the PS3 has had reports of freezing and locking up the sytem and that is the only Blu-Ray player under the $999 price range. The added advantage of both DVD and HD-DVD formats on a disk makes it worth while for people who travel. No one is going to carry their Blu-Ray player with them on the road. But their is an huge install base of DVD players that people bring with them. These DVD players are located in cars, Laptops, and the travle DVD players on the market. The ability to play a HD-DVD disk on that medium of hardware adds to the value of the HD-DVD.
If I remember correctly, JVC claims they invented VHS, but they had to pay licensing fees to Sony for a lot of the embedded VHS technology… Betamax was the better technology but the porn industry found it was less expensive to mass produce VHS tapes, and for some reason (other than recording soaps and Johnny Carson), 10 years later, every home in North America had a VHS VCR. Who will win the war? Is there really a war? The Porn industry will once again probably decide…can you spell INTERACTIVE? I have a beautiful 1080p TV and I wanted a DVD player that would show it off, and be 100% compatible with my 200+ DVD collection, unlike my crappy Samsung upconverting player. I did my research, weighed the pros and cons, and was pushed towards the Sony Blu-Ray by the BestBuy sales guy $1200.00(OUCH!!!), but I didn't buy it. A friend of mine came over with his HD-A1 and Batman Begins in HD – WOW!!! I liked the price, I loved the picture. I picked up the HD-A2 at $499.00(+ 3 free movies) and I am very happy with the unit. Great selection of movies (like Miami Vice in Combo Format), and most importantly, the quality of the upconversion of my older DVD titles. My advice? Buy the format you like most for the use that makes you the happiest at a price you can afford.
I bought an HD-DVD and love it.
It's interesting how many Sony supporters are NOT out there supporting their product where it matters, with their dollars. Instead they're on message boards thinking that if they whine enough people will care. Meanwhile the HD-DVD base grows larger…which is great news for HD-DVD supporters because Fox, MGM, Lionsgate films and other Blu Ray only companies will to jumping ship sooner than you think and going where the user base is.
I think one of the things many people are looking at is the demographic ofconsumers. If you are a gamer and want the most recent console, you are very interested in the PS3 (even those gamers that already have the XBox 360). Gamers that have waited for the PS3 will probably lean towards BD. The storage capacity the BD provides makes the gaming experience exceptional on PS3. But when it comes to movies, HD DVD is better (storage is not a factor). Even 5 years from now, storage won't be a factor for DVDs (movie watching experience). Because of that, you have a large percentage of america that could care less because they are not gamers or tech junkies, but want the best picture quality. HD DVD has the best picture quality regardless of storage.
I smell a sony fanboy. They have you brain washed. Why back a company that wants to get you for every dollar you have? And the products are not that good.
Moron's…all you, i hate Sony id never buy Sony rubbish if you have an HDDVD drive its made by a company called Sony NEC Optiarc (NEC Backers of HDDVD and Sony Optical) formed a JV and Sony took 55% stake.
So what ever format you buy you are lining Sony's Pockets
Vista also supports Blu-Ray, and lets face it MS haven't been great with new products IE7 (welcome to the Firefox MS) WMA, Play for Sure and my personal favourite The Zune.
While being an X360 owner from day one, anoyone that was with me will know that the games where rubbish and its only in the last 6 months they have come amazing so don't write of the PS3.
Oh and one last thing when did Sony ever say MD was the future over MP3 it was a step up over a TAPE walkman
interesting thread going here. it makes sense that an article leaning arguably in favor of HD DVD would feature many more supporters than BD. heres my take on some of the thoughts.
first, about the betamax thing, good lord give it up. the fact is that the demographic that will make or break next-gen home entertainment will probably have NO idea what betamax even is (i barely do, really.) Blu-Ray is so tied to Sony because of the PS3 but once the general public, and not us techno-bloggers, grabs hold in the next-gen, few ties will remain. Do many people care, or even know, that VHS was created by JVC. Nope. And if that truly is important, Sony is synonymous with media tech. "My First Sony" anyone? Walkman was the iPod of the day. It didn't matter what company made a tape player, it was a "walkman" just like iPod has become interchangeable to most with mp3 player. As for UMD, I don't recall it being touted as a major medium. As far as I remember it was made and marketed as proprietary PSP media, not a major competing format so dont be so ready to include that in your sony-failure models.
i cant believe how many people fervently post and dont know a shred about what they are posting. im hoping BD will win. Spec-wise its better, but i appreciate that may not matter. The biggest thing against Sony: the name. i think blu-ray sounds sweet, refreshing, new, techy, but the fact is that people know what DVD means. when i show someone my ps3, and ask them if they wanna see what a Blu-Ray movie looks like, they say "what is that?" When I say its like an HD-DVD (notice the hyphen,) they recognize Hi def DVD not for what it really is but what the name implies.
so that kinda sucks for Blu-Ray.
also someone said that lord of the rings would possibly be HD DVD exclusive but New Line Cinema has backed both, so unlikely, not that any movie will be exclusive once the winner is drawn. Does anyone have trouble locating a movie these days because it is only released in Betamax. Fear not, whichever format wins, all movies will be eventually released on it.
any BD player manufacturer would be foolish to not include DVD support, and I don't see that happening.
thats my thoughts, and ps3 is not as bad people keep saying it is. contrary to popular thought, mine, in its 3 week life, has neither overheated, nor disappointed. true, games could do with some improvement, but the hardware will undeniably outlast all competition, and considering next-next-gen wont be out til at least '10, longevity will be key.
Just because we cant see 007, Spiderman and Disney movies now doesn't mean we will never be able to on HD DVD. It's just a matter of time. As soon as Blu Ray fails, Sony will be forced to produce HD DVD movies. They would be stupid not to! It kind of like when they brought out the Mini Disks they swore that MD's were the wave of the future and Mp3 players would never be succesfull because they can't store enough songs. MD's were far more practical because you can easilly get more space with the MD's by buying more disks. They couldn't have been more wrong! So they realized where the money is and started their line of overpriced Walkman Mp3 players. I suspect the same will happen with Blu Ray. they will give up, then start making HD DVD's ASAP to get as much money as possible. Or maybe they will just hold a grudge against HD DVD and pay billions and billions to movie companies so that they swear to not make HD DVD's and wait for the next Sony revolution. I doubt it.
Darth,
The only reason Sony has the support of more movie studios is because they already own Columbia Pictures, TriStar, and MGM.
Unfortunately for HD-DVD owners, that means we'll never see high definition versions of movies like Spiderman and the 007 series of films!
As for the which is the better format, right now that is totally irrelevant! Who cares if Blu-Ray can store more data? Right now, that only translates into having more DVD extras on a Blu-Ray disc. Burners and blanks aren't cheaply available yet either!
And like you said, both formats use VC1 to compress their films so the video quality is exactly the same!
But here's one fact! Microsoft rarely loses a war! Sony, on the other hand, has had setback after setback for the past decade!
Tim
Rooskie,
Hey Blu ray fan boys did you see the news??? HD DVD just informed the public that they have succesfully created a 50 gig dosk. Yes Blu ray 50 gigs!!! Choke on that Sony! Geez I wonder what they will say next. Oh we have a 100 gih disk. Big deal, go HD DVD! I knew they could do it. Plus the new player is out and many more are to hit the market from numerous companies. Hey rooskie to touch on some things you talked about. Many game magazines are complaining about the whole 6 axis involved in the pS3 system doesn't even add any fun to the games.
Wow! It's been fun reading all the comments. I would have to say that I am an HD DVD supporter. At first I was a Blu Ray fan but that's just cause of the cool name and the displays at Best Buy. It is very obvious that they have picked Blu ray as a favorite. Must be the common color blue? Anyways, My friend got the HD DVD attachment for his 360 and it is absolutely stunning! Way better than the Blu Ray set up at best buy! That may be due to the Best buy idoits using nasty cables, who knows? As soon as I get an HD Tv I will pick up the 360 attachment ASAP! I changed my mind quickly after seeing my friends set up. Another reason I changed my mind is because I really Hate Sony. I died laughing about the Sony toothbrush needing Sony toothpaste comment. That is epecailly true for Sony cameras. You're not getting a better product but it's double the price and you have to buy Sony exclusive accesories! It's STUPID! I do admit that Sony does make some quality products, but most of them are overpriced pieces of garbage. The PS3 is a year late! It has nothing on the 360! Oh wait! It has the six axis controllers! SIX AXIS! WTF does that mean?! X Y Z…. UH lets see here… I count three. Unless they tapped into the fourth fifth and sixth dimentions. If you want motion controllers get a WII! It less than half the price and it's actually fun. Die hard PS3 fans drive me crazy! I can't help but laugh every time I think about the retards who spent $3000 on ebay to get them right away! You can buy the things anywhere now (at least where I'm from)! moving on…
I can't believe people are blabbing on about capacity! Blu Ray could potentially go up to 200GB. WHO CARES! 30GB is plenty of room to play movies on 1080p with 7.1 sound! It reminds me of the old Iomega Jazz drives boasting 1GB of space ooooooh 1 GB on a disk! Everyone was amazed! But who cares now? Jazz drives…what? This war isn't about space! It's about movies! 200GB is useless for movies! unless in the future we start producing 2160p res. 30 hour movies with 21.3 surround sound and want it all on the same disk. Then I guess Blu ray would be the clear cut winner. But then again we'd probably have to buy a Sony 2160p TV, a Sony reciever, a Sony Blue ray player, Sony speakers, Sony wire, a Sony universal remote and a Sony sofa for the movie to even play. Classic Sony, world domination. Booyah! That's my two cents.
Look I like many, scratch out DVD eventually. The BlueRay Disc are proven to be much more delicate than HD DVD. HD DVD keep the same layer of protection (0.06) while BlueRay disc only have a layer of protection of (0.02).
Let him no Ray. He's just a Blu Ray Fan boy. Hey Fan Boy how many people who buy the PS3 actually have a HD tv? Probably not as much as you think. So there it is a useless Blu ray player sitting in the living room. Oh yeah and using the PS3 as a movie player is a wonderful idea. Can I get a Disc Read Error please! We should be buying systems to play games, not having some format forced down our throats.
darth, sure they may have more manufacutrers on br, but they all still cost alot, which in the only two hd dvd players there are cost 500 or less, which is how much dvd, cost when it first came out, and then hd dvd having the better quality, and more advanced companies in technology, supporting it, which would u think would be better selling now, come on think micrsoft and intel, COMPUTERS! AND ALL WITH A $200 PRODUCT, well, w/e. So my point being is you think a product with more manufacturers is gonna win, or a product with more advanced supporters and awesome quality for a cheaper price? u do the math
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BluRay will win. Simple.
1) More manufacturers make BluRay players than HD-DVD. Which translates to more available players in the market.
2) More studios support BluRay, which translates to more content available than for HD-DVD. And in the end – it is the content that will sell the format.
3) PS3. For every PS3, there is a BluRay player. And the bullcrap that people don't use their PS3's to watch movies – sorry – they do. With more than a million PS3's sold, it simply means that they have a lot more players in the field, and a very rapidly growing one.
4) BluRay is not so much more expensive than HD-DVD as some would like you to believe. It is small change compared to the content that it stores.
5) HD-DVD has slower transfer speed and lower capacity. BluRay is the superior format. End of story.
6) The Storage medium does not determine the quality of the movie. Don't be stupid and fall for this bullcrap reasoning by some. It is a digital file that gets stored. Both use the same compression. The fact is that the same movie, stored in VC1 on both disks, is not for some reason "better" on HD-DVD (except for in the minds of idiots), it is in FACT – EXACTLY the SAME. So no point to be scored based on "quality of image". It is pure BS PR invented because they don't want you to look at the specs and see which one is superior. So they came up with this BS that the image quality is somehow "better". Those who repeated this waffle just proved themselves to be technically illiterate.
Let's make this simple. We're talking about the "average" consumer. The "average" consumer is the target market. Another words, take all the dumb people and the smart people, put them together and you get the target market (middle of the road). Also, look at the "average" consumers yearly salary. The people who are going to decide this war are not "TECH" people. They're not rich or technology nerds. Storage caps don't mean anything to the average Joe who can only afford "average to slightly above average" products. The average home isn't even HD yet. Even if HD DVD is slighlty less technolgically advanced, it will not matter to the average consumer who thinks HDMI is a school of technology in Arizona. Over the top technology doesn't make Blu-Ray the winner. Affordability and solid technology should make HD-DVD the winner. In closing, the average consumer can afford HD-DVD and 1080i. Blu-Ray and 1080p will always cost more, right now way more. Until Blu-Ray and 1080p costs the same as the aforementioned, it won't make it into the "majority" of homes. I'm gonna roll the dice on a XBOX 360 HD-DVD today. Microsoft Corp is sort of smart and powerful. Remember, Bentley makes a far more superior car to Honda but if we had to choose as a society, well that proves my point "TECH" people. Quality and affordability.
Like a lot of people I hate this whole "format war" thing. I have to support HD-DVD though. "House of Flying Daggers" and "Annapolis" look horrible in Blu-Ray compared to some of the HD-DVDs I've seen, I'd rather watch those two on regular DVD its that bad. Sony seems to be pushing the whole 1080p "Beyond High Definition" thing on the consumers. Plus the new 8 or 9 layer 200GB Blu-Ray disc Sony is developing!? That has no use for movies, its only good for storage. Either way it ends I'm glad I can own my favorite movies in HD… but a part of me still hopes Sony falls hard.
I personally hate this "format war." There is no reason for incompatible formats. The real loser will be the consumer who ends up being on the wrong side of this war.
Having said that, if someone has to "win," I hope it is HD DVD. I have an Xbox 360, and recently purchased the HD DVD player add-on, which I love.
I am worried about Blu Ray's support in the hardware and movie studio arenas. I just hope that three years down the road, I will be sorry that I was an early adopter of HD DVD.
So, I have to say, go HD DVD!
Hmmm… like many on this site, I spent several agonizing months (almost a year, actually) before buying HD DVD. I really wanted Blu-Ray to win because it was obviously the superior technology, but, alas, it was the content that won me over.
I watched several movies available in both formats at my local store and discovered that the HD DVD picture was far superior. I was both amazed and chagrined at how BAD the "Fifth Element" Blu-Ray transfer was. I was highly impressed with the HD DVD "Batman Returns" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" transfers. Most of the Blu-Ray movies I saw weren't much better quality-wise than an up-converted standard DVD picture.
Unless Sony and its adherents improve the quality of their transfers soon, this war will be over.
ive seen bolth products and hd dvd is better. people who are loyal to microsoft will most likely stay with microsoft. like the windows upgrade to vista hd dvd systems will have updates.the matter is timing who comes out with the most updates.right now blue ray does have bd but how good is bd if the picture dosent match hd dvd. all supporters of blue ray are talking about extra apps but the whole point of buying a new gen movie player is to watch movies with a sharp picture and a great experience. so hd dvd all the way.
ok, yeah im like thayne everything he said, thats me, i did love blu-ray, but then i saw the power that hd dvd has and made me think why should i waste more money on something that is the same, if not, less qualtiy than the cheaper priced product (hd dvd) but im not against blu-ray at all i still love the picture of it. LOl yea sony did fail in alot of formats and consoles, the only thing that it didnt fail in is playstation, but with the ps3 it doesnt look so good for sony, good luck. Oh and yea ive heard of hvd its great yeah up to 3tb wow, but its not confirmed, but another question for u all is, have u guys ever heard of the protein coated disc?…one thing about it…..50tb!!!!!!!no bs, but thats definatly not confirmed at all, its still being studied, but look it up….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein-coated_disc
Blue-Ray players are too expensive. The Ps3 is a better deal but still a high price. Blu-Ray is selling more right now because of the Ps3. The Xbox 360 is a great system and more affordable than Ps3 with just as good graphics and response time. Microsoft did screw up by not just putting HDMI on the 360 in the first place. Its pure digital and easier. Microsoft could make adapters for the 360; or there is talk of a new Xbox 360 with HDMI and HDDVD. Who knows….But this pisses me off because I would like to buy some next generation dvd's but I dont want to be screwd later. I believe Microsoft will come around though. They wont let the Sony just knock them down for the count. But Microsoft better get a move on it
Two letters have been engrained into the minds of American consumers this shopping season: "H" and "D". Subconsciously, the public will link the HDTV experiece with "HD"-DVD. Every time the label "HD" comes up (either television shopping or watching on-demand HD movies on cable/satellite) is an advertisement for HD-DVD. This will be very difficult for Sony to overcome since the vast majority of HDTV buyers in the next year or two will not be tech-geeks and professional entertainment center gurus, but average consumers that will not sweat the differences (good or bad) between the two formats.
Allow me to cite the incredible ass-kicking Microsoft delivered to Apple (debatably a better system) just by engraining "Windows" into the public lexicon. I would not be surprised if by Halloween XBOX 360 is bundling the HD-DVD component for free with new units, and offering maybe a $50 sale price for existing consoles owners. I expect a full-court press from Microsoft to make HD-DVD the "Windows" of this young century. XBOX could crush its rivals if they bundle the HD-DVD component with new units, and as a loss-leader, it's worth it to get as many Xbox consoles in as many homes as possible, since they will be selling a crapload of HD downloads direct from Xbox Live.
Really, I don't see how Blu-Ray stands a chance, and I say that as someone who doesn't own either component at this time.
This is stupid. people think like someone who shops for things at best buy, your average consumer if you will. my bet is 80% of them know what HD means(when reffering to TV's) so they look at the 2 competing formats. Blueray, and HD DVD. which would make more sense to buy? i know there are the storage concerns for HD DVD down the road but how long until we replace both of these formats? have you ever heard of HVD(Holographic Versitile Disc)? No. shame on you. HVD is a disc that can hold 3.9 TB!!! YES TerraBytes. kinda makes this format war look stupid.
I love the way everyone is against Blu-Ray as anyone with any common sense would acutally sit on the fence.
And to prove this point Samsung players have just dropped in price.
Oh and around 90% of stuff you watched on TV was filmed using BETA up till about 2 years ago. So i would say Sony didn't do to badly out of BETA
You mention Beta and Minidisc, but let's not forget some of the others:
Beta
Minidisc
DAT
Memory Stick
atrac3
SACD
Sony didn't just lose the Beta-VHS war – - they lost lots! Maybe they'll quit trying proprietary formats and being second one of these days.
I bought an HD-DVD player simply because it wasn't made by Sony. I've paid through the snork one too many times. If they lose, it might be in part because they're Sony – they're good at losing. I think it's one of their core competencies.
We have both bluray and HD. Even with component cables the HDDVD was far superior than my blu ray via HDMI on my Sharp 46 inch Aquos LCD 1080p screen. Go HD DVD
what makes me sick is when I go to the electronic stores and all they have out are blu ray players. And they suck. It's like yo put the HD DVD player out there so everyone can truly see what the next gen is like. I can not stand Blu ray. I wish that HD DVD would just be claimed victor so i can go out and spend my money on quality film.
Screw Blu Ray it sucks!
I'm so conpyused about this pormats? just tell me wits one is bitter to buy? but i tink i will buy da HDDVD fleyer, cos it looks so biyutipul…tink you..
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MrCntry,
Your speaking the truth. It's what most people are saying. Blu ray is great for storage reasons, that is just great. But for a home theatre ecperience it's just not living up to it's hype. HD DVD is delivering on a consistent basis. I have the Add-on for the 360 Batman Begins, Supermand HD, King Kong, Van Helsing, and The Corpse Bride. All wchich look outstanding and it's running off of component cables. Blu ray needs to be used for storage reasons only.
Let's see. Blu Ray vs HD DVD? I will stick with the HD DVD for veiwing my HD Content. Blu Ray sounds good but the picture quality just doesn't seem to be there right now.
Someone said above. It all depends on the TV you play it on! I have played both Blu Ray and HD DVD's on my TV and the HD DVD player was quite a bit better in quality! I am all for larger capacity for computer use but I would not buy an HD TV if I just wanted to play something on it that looks OK! I have played both formats on my Pioneer Elite Plasma and Blu Ray was not impressive.
If people didn't care what the picture looked like they would not waste their money on an HD TV!
Just my 2c's
I am from the Sony Beta era, I loved the beta. I bought all beta movies,,,they were a little better in resolution than vhs, and sound quality was technically better. The players were more expensive but I did not care, I bought the most expensive toshiba's and Sony's Super Beta machines. I soon realized all my beta tapes began to experience tape creasing and ultimately all my beta tapes were unusable. This happened on every machine. I was a Sony junkie back in the 80's when they ruled…. in the early 2000's I made the mistake of buying one of their recordable MP3 players and realized what "sony" did not want me to do with this…. Sony is the new big brother trying to control what you do with technology. Remember how much of the movie industry they own… I beg to all of you bluray people…. yes it holds more info, and maybe a little more speedy in the data transfer area. But HD DvD I think will be the consumers choice for a few simple reasons that may sound very dumb… "HD DVD"…. what does that tell you if you are just a normal person, "hey that goes with my HD TV" and "rights" Sony or whoever owns the rights to bluray will be like apple… making it a monopolized format, making companys pay big to use it. ever since I found how much sony is trying to control how you record and use your own personal property, I chose to boycot anything sony. People who own or will buy bluray product will be in for a very big shock when they find out what little things sony will instill into the bluray to make it impossible for you to maybe do any recording. I still have a beta machine and have transfered some of my recorded videos to computer and had to clean them up in primere. Sony is the bully on the block trying to make you buy their products by pushing everyone out of the way. I hope the public will stand up in unison and strike sony down to the size that they should really be. When a Company becomes to large, they get a god complex, "i.e. Microsoft". There are no gods, only rational thinking humans….. and the rest. KILL YOUR GOD and you will be free.
Blu ray will be good for storage reasons with the goverment. My thought. I have played the PS3 and it's not any beter than the 360 whichs runs of a DVD drive. I believe that sony has mopre thought invested in PS3/Blu ray as a movie experience than rather than a gaming one. My opinion. I just was not impressed with what I played. Considering I am a huge PS2 fan. Sony is going to do all they can to win this war. And in the end suffer financially to a point where they will lose stock, and eventually might have to shut it down. Or just stick to making cameras.
…who's to say who will win this war, but regardless of how many companies support blu-ray… did we all forget that eghm*… Microsoft owns the world at this point and like they have succeeded so many times in the past; I doubt they will dare let themselves lose. At this point I suggest that we all just shut up and wait because every single supporting company cares about one thing and one thing only… whats in your wallet. So why buy something from them that might be dead in a year or two and then have to buy it something else… your smarter then that right… haha well probably not… oh well
people are always talking about how blu ray has more storage space…a comment above said that space will allow for bigger and better games. storage space has nothing to do with being a better game. the writing behind the game has more to do with it. i just got a wii and those games come nowhere close to the size of 360 or ps3. nintendo decided to go back to the start and figure out why people liked games…because they're fun, not because of the graphics.
from a lot of reviews i have been reading the blu ray needs all that storage space because of their older video filter, and even then the audio suffers.
people need to stop picking and choosing what facts they argue about in order to win an argument. it's like christianity and the bible, people reading and believing what they want and going from there.
HD DVD is going to prevail, and Sony will once again blow a format. For those who sit here and wish that Blu Ray will win, need to face the facts. Blu ray is just an expensive piece of equipment that just can not live up to it's promises. Did you hear that a hacker, hacked the perfect security coding that Blu ray is supposed to have? Wow guess we didn't see that coming. Thatw as one of the main reasons why companies were supporting that crap technology. Did you hear that the HD DVD camp has something huge to disclose at the HD conference on January 7th. I wonder what it could be. Hopefully it entails disney and the other studios seeing the light and producing for their format as well. Or maybe that HD DVD is eben more affordable. I wish Sony would just belly up now, so i can buy the other movies available only on Blu Ray.
ok lets be completly honest here, they're both outstanding as far as picture and sound goes. I',ve seen them both in action and i'm blown away by the HD picture.
But they both have advantages. Blue-ray has more space on the disc then hd-dvd, by a major amount. Awesome for longer movies more special content, ect.
HD-DVD is a xbox 360 add-on, (so is the blue-ray, PS3) but the PS3 is limited as the fact is the US only received 400,000 units and won't receive more untill march. Try finding a 360, they are everywhere, not to mention 200 dollars cheaper. And its a add on, unlike the PS3 which your paying 200 dollars ore for it.
Also HD-DVD can play dvds, just like the blue ray, but the HD DVDS can be played in your normal dvd player at home just flip the disc and pop it in, no need to have a hd dvd player to just watch movies, gives them a little head start if you ask me.
So here's my thoughts, they're bth awesome, BR has more space, HD-DVD a little cheaper off the start. HD can be played in normal dvd players, which i own 3 hd dvd's but don't have my hd player yet so that gives them a head start also.Hopefully they both do good but right now the fact is hd has a major head start sorry sony. oh and for the person saying theres no difference between 1080i and 1080p. look it up and get your facts straight before acting like you know something because the 15 year old at walmart tells you something. 1080i (interlaced odds=then evens across the screen numorus times a second) 1080p (progressive scan oddsand evens together across screen making the picture) you tell me how that dosent look clearer. maybe you should stop buying cheap tv's from walmart. and to everyone else nice posts, found them very interesting
Im a complete blu ray supporter. It's obvious that it is the superior technology, and for once- sony actually has huge support and is *shock horror* advertising. Now that sony is finally realising what advertising can do, especially when showing off some amazing technology- take bravia and vaio for instance, blu ray stands a huge fighting chance once prices has dropped (which will be faster than you think with its huge scale of production). And sure, sonys lost a fair few format wars (beta, minidisc, umd, and atrac), but most people forget they brought us both the casette AND the cd…. the worlds most succesful media format of all time. Bring on blu ray. HD DVD sure better hope they can kid the public for another 24 months.
Some really good points rasied but for me the biggest and most important was missed
HD DVD is a READ only Format so if you want to download movies and Tv shows which is where the market is going now you wont be able to watch them in HD unless you are outputting the signal from your PC
Add to that Sony Brought NEC's Optical divison so now nearly every manufacturer of Optical is in the Blu-Ray Camp
My Personal opinion is that HD DVD is a better product for now why we adopt to HD. But if you want something that will last from now til around 10+ Years then Blu Ray is the answer!
I don't know why people insist on BLU ray being the superior format. It does not matter what store I am at, the picture is terrbile. HD DVD clearly looks better, and the movie studios who are not in support should give it a chance. I mean if Disney would move to HD DVD, the format war would be over. But clearly HD DVD just looks better.
As a custom installer, most of my customers are
purchasing hd dvd players. I have seen both
players side by side, and truly I do not see a
difference. If I could have either one for free,
I would go for the hd dvd player. I currently
play movies on my runco projecter using a laser
disc player and high def satellite receiver.
I own a Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player – the picture quality is truly amazing at times. But I'm not here to bash Blu-ray at all. I think both formats will likely survive for the next 10-15 years. But eventually all disk media will become obsolete and replaced by downloadable movie files. Look at what has happened with music – MP3 players, iPod's, etc…
It's only a matter of time before our computers, TV's, and media players are all integrated into a cohesive network/system. Some people are already there today.
If you want to watch high-definition movies today, you will need to invest in an HD player. But in 5-10 years you will only need a good computer system and high-speed Internet.
I have both blu-ray and hd-dvd because of the xbox 360 and PS3. I have about 8 blu-ray movies and 14 hd-dvd movies. I an trying to have the same amount of movies on both formats but I like more titles on hd-dvd.
I honestly dont care who wins the war. I like both fomats. I hope they are at war for a long time. But I also want a hybrid to be built after some time. everybody knows that eventually these formats will be obsolete just like every thing else. Prices always go down in electronics
I have a 42' 1080p HDTV and I honestly dont see any difference between BD and HD DVD. I thought one was better that the other but it depends on the movies. I own MI3 on HD DVD and rented it on Blu-ray and compared the two. They looked exactly the same except for the positions of the black bars and color but that different could just be because of different player. I have many dvd players and the same movie looks different on each player. I own terminator 3 on hd dvd and it looks much better than terminator 2 on blu-ray. i also have pearl harbor on blu-ray and that movie looks even better.
In conclusion, I like blu-ray better because of the capacity and the resitance to scratches. price doesnt matter because only people with money will buy the new formats and a few extra dollars wont matter. prices will come down and blu-ray movies could end up costing $10 and finding blu-ray players for $40. Look at dvd players.
I have seen and played the XB360 and it is fairly impressive but not that much better than the original Xbox so instead I will be getting a PS3 for the gaming aspect. As the PS3 contains the BlueRay drive I might rent some movies in that format but I doubt if I will buy any as I rarely do that with DVD's.
As for the format war the PS3 sales alone will make it look like Blue Ray is doing better than it really is as I am sure I am not the only one buying the system for the games and considering the movie capacity nothing more than a perk.
If Blue Ray loses the war then I might get a HD drive but I will wait for a cheaper one or a rewritable one or perhaps one for my PC which is already connected to my LCD HDTV. Patience is the key here. Let them fight it out then pick up the cut price winner.
Happy New Year
I sooooo want Blueray to win, but since I already have a 360, I bought the HD-DVD Add-on and am very impressed. I have a DVD collection of over 1000 movies so looking at $1000 for a dedicated HD Player was a little hard to swallow.
Despite the superiority of the Blue-Ray format, I must say that I agree with this article that HD-DVD has an advantage right now. Like we saw from BetaMax all those years ago, the superior format does NOT always win. It all comes down to marketing and the first people to get widespread use of their products. HD-DVD is cheaper and the picture quality is a bit better, and in lieu of uncertainty, I think early adopters are more likely to select the cheaper option and buy the more expensive one later.
While the PS-3 adds some support to the Blue-ray, and buying an X-Box with the expansion is about $100 more expensive, let's not forget that the 360 has a rather large install base out there since it's been out for around a year and the PS-3 is really hard to find. This means that there are a lot of people buying HD-DVD this xmas on an impulse buy (like I did) for only a $199 investment and that is bound to increase the demand on the movies.
While the bulk of purchases of the next-gen disc's will be Q 3 & 4 of 2007, what happens now will largely effect that market just as it did in the VHS/Beta war.
I hope that Blue-ray can pull it out of the soup, and if they do I'll gladly go out and buy an Blueray player for each of my 4 televisions. Until then, I'll enjoy buying a limited amount of HD-DVD movies that can play on all my existing DVD-Players throughout the house.
BTW- Now if someone came out with a combo player, I would probably by that at any price.
I sooooo want Blueray to win, but since I already have a 360, I bought the HD-DVD Add-on and am very impressed. I have a DVD collection of over 1000 movies so looking at $1000 for a dedicated HD Player was a little hard to swallow.
Despite the superiority of the Blue-Ray format, I must say that I agree with this article that HD-DVD has an advantage right now. Like we saw from BetaMax all those years ago, the superior format does NOT always win. It all comes down to marketing and the first people to get widespread use of their products. HD-DVD is cheaper and the picture quality is a bit better, and in lieu of uncertainty, I think early adopters are more likely to select the cheaper option and buy the more expensive one later.
While the PS-3 adds some support to the Blue-ray, and buying an X-Box with the expansion is about $100 more expensive, let's not forget that the 360 has a rather large install base out there since it's been out for around a year and the PS-3 is really hard to find. This means that there are a lot of people buying HD-DVD this xmas on an impulse buy (like I did) for only a $199 investment and that is bound to increase the demand on the movies.
While the bulk of purchases of the next-gen disc's will be Q 3 & 4 of 2007, what happens now will largely effect that market just as it did in the VHS/Beta war.
I hope that Blue-ray can pull it out of the soup, and if they do I'll gladly go out and buy an Blueray player for each of my 4 televisions. Until then, I'll enjoy buying a limited amount of HD-DVD movies that can play on all my existing DVD-Players throughout the house.
BTW- Now if someone came out with a combo player, I would probably by that at any price.
Correction from above…I found the actual "sections" for HD DVD and Blu Ray on Amazon and both seem to have about 200 titles.
I may just have to have both players in the system cause watching regular DVDs now just sucks! (and this really hurts cause I have a 400+ movie collection!)
I am excited about my new purchase of the $200 HD-DVD add on for my xbox 360. I only see this as a $200 purchase, period as my 360 is basically a core item in my life – a far superior product/service than the PS3 and a released a year prior nonetheless! The only reason I would consider buying a PS3 would be to get the blu-ray player, as PS3 games at this point suck pretty hard and the machine lacks a full online service like the 360…bleh!
I dialed up King Kong in HD on my Sony 60XBR950 60" (not a 1080 set, just 720) and oh my god it was amazing looking. You could stick your nose right up to the screen and see zero compression in the picture…just pure image.
I have done some shopping for HD movies and grabbed about 8 titles. I avoided older ones simply because I don't think they were likely shot with cameras capable of doing HD DVD justice…I searched for Blu-Ray movies on Amazon and found only a few, not sure if this is a good place to compare but at this time it looked like about 10x more titles were available on HD DVD.
In conclusion I would say that I don't trust Sony all that much and tend to hope the HD DVD camp wins this "war" 
Buy both. Any purchased hi-def DVDs will play in their respective machines no matter who wins.
Currently, I have the HD-DVD add-on to the XBOX 360 and the PS3. Early nod definitely goes to the HD-DVD player.
uh, my Xbox HD add-on does work with the core unit for $499 total, plus a free HD DVD – and besides that, I wanted a 200 dollar alternative to get me through the war at which point I will choose the right unit – only thing that sucks is Disney being a exclusive blue ray dicks about it…and thanks to Sony for not having enough new units to go around! Keep discounting Blue Ray!!
well, I think that most,as I did,will buy a 200 dollar xbox 360 player and use it on computers,at least until the prices drop(and they will after the 360 hd dvd player)hit rock bottom.it's only a matter of time.PS3-it's way over rated and cost to much at the time…its all sony's hype,and sorry to say some are buying into it.I know that for a 1000 bucks,i dont wanna just see a few flashy screens,and crappy movies.
It's all going to come down to one thing: how successful the ps3 becomes. If the ps3 becomes the dominant game console, then blu-ray will win, just because of the sheer number of blu-ray players that will bring to the table. But if the ps3 kind of piddles out and doesn't become dominant and the xbox360 becomes more successful this generation, then hd dvd will win. Just plain and simple, that's all it's going to come down to. Just the sheer number of players out there creating demand for the movies in a certain format. And since this time around, the players are kind of connected with the game consoles more than mostly the stand alone players, it's going to come down to which console becomes dominant (if any). And you know who's going to end up making that choice for us? That's right, the kids. And so there's a whole lot riding on which console becomes the one all the kids want, with the most hype and the best games, because whoever wins that also wins the format war, the whole poker pot, hehe.
if you are de-interlancing a 1080p to 1080i over a digital connection, there will be absolutely no difference when that 1080p set de-interlaces it back to 1080p.
I have had the opportunity to view both HD-DVD content and Blue-Ray content on the same set same movie. The HD-DVD for this title was much better. This of course is not a defect in blue-ray itself. Rather for some reason all blue-ray titles are encoded with MPEG-2 not VC-1 like all the HD-DVD titles. VC-1 can compress alot more than MPEG-2 with greater quality, thus making blue-ray capacity a non-advantage, at least for now.
BLURAY & HD-DVD ARE COOL, BUT I LIKE BUTTERFLIES & CRICKETS. BUTTERFLIES ARE SO BEAUTIFUL & CRICKETS ARE CUTE.
The only way to compare both bluray & hd-dvd is too watch the same movie on the same type of tv. So far i have compared both side by side and the result was astounding to me, all this talk about bluray superiority and yet the the hd-dvd picture was better than bluray. Now dont get me wrong both offer a great picture, but the only reason why bluray is back by most movie production companies is because of piracy. Movie production companies lose millions of dollars on piracy, bluray offer production companies a way to minimize piracy, thus allowing to make more $$$$. In my opinion I like the the picture quality better on hd-dvd, but all of you should go out & make the same comparison!
The Blu Ray format benefits big corporations and movie studios NOT consumers like you and I. If you wonder why??? It's plain and simple. Number (1) It is harder to make copies of blu ray discs because they have a unique watermark on each disc. HD DVDs don't & also promote compatibility with current dvd players using a similar format. THIS BENEFITS STUDIOS AND SCREW YOU. Number(2) With Blu Ray you can kiss your entire dvd collection goodbye because you can't play your dvds on a bluray drive & vice versa. THIS BENEFITS SONY & MOVIE STUDIOS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RE-START YOUR COLLECTION. Number (3) Blu Ray is more expensive period. The movies are an average of $10 more and the Players cost 300-400 more. SONY GETS ALL THAT EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE THEY CREATED THE BLU RAY FORMAT. YOU GET SCREWED. Finally, if you think your getting a deal by purchasing a ps3 as a BLU RAY player think again. PS3 movie playback features are entry level compared to your standard player and will not last a franction of the time a standalone would.
You obviously have not had a chance to sit down in your living room and enjoy HD movies. Let me tell you something, it is amazing. I am not kidding you. It really puts your television to work. I can not bear to watch a movie on a standard DVD anymore. So once you actually have this technology in your house, do not speak on it.
All this talk of which format looks better etc is rubbish.Most people watching a movie after 15 minutes will be more interested in what's going on in the movie to notice what the quality is like anyway.If quality was such a concern , why do people fill thier mp3 players with 128k/b files ?
What we're actually seeing is the start of a pointless battle, when we know the war will be lost.In a few years "chip" based storage will overtake that of HD,blue-ray or even hard-disk, and thats if we even need storage at all ?
Maybe the internet will be superseeded , so instead of downloading information , we mearly "look" at it as it goes past , continuously circling cyber space.
Or , and this is a bit more sci-fi , we store information using DNA strands in our own bodies , for example , we can live without the appendix (as anyone who has had it out will testify) so why not eat a burger or something containing genetically modified DNA encoded with the latest movie or music release?
"would you like fries with that sir?" will have a whole new meaning………..
wow…you are a blue ray bitch MS. jeez. right to the point, enjoy shrek bastards. second point, blue ray is getting some dvds that are from fox, and i think soon disney that are called something like platinum dvds. they are everything that is HD-dvds but triple better sound, graphics will believe it or not a little bit sharper than the original blue ray, and will have full special futures which is what origninal blues are lacking.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=36456
still a long time though, but pretty good.