Comments on: Some Mac loyalists turn against Adobe

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By: David H Dennis

David H Dennis — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:48:23 +0000

Great software takes time to create.

Changing software design from PowerPC to Intel is not easy. It required Adobe to make huge changes in their technologies and how they worked. Underestimate this kind of process at your peril.

(It IS relatively easy to upgrade from a Cocoa app designed for PowerPC mads to a Cocoa app designed for Intel Macs. But Photoshop is a carbon and not a cocoa app, and that means a lot of the changes would be very tough.)

Adobe's recent trend has been very much pro-Mac. Premiere is back on the Mac. Lightroom was first released for the Mac.

In short, I think these complaints are overblown. The new Photoshop is coming. Enjoy it when it comes.

I would not be surprised to see an 8-core PowerMac introduced almost simutaneously with Photoshop and then you guys will say "Oooh! Shiny!" and buy it and upgrade Photoshop and in five minutes you will have forgotten all of this.

And while you're at it, you'll pick up an iPhone while waiting at the Apple Store for your 16 GB memory upgrade

I know you guys.

Grumbly but loyal.

By: Brian Williams

Brian Williams — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:05:11 +0000

I agree that many of the people complaining must not be using the Intel macs for professional design. When the macbook pro was released, I bought it without concern about the new chip or distant arrival of CS3. I've had no issues making the transition from my g5 dual 2.0 ghz running CS1 natively to my macbook pro running CS1 through Rosetta. I honestly don't notice the difference, and I'm working with huge Photoshop files with Indesign and Illustrator files simultaneously. Indesign is the one that has proven to be a little buggy, not Photoshop.

I've worked with Photoshop on Windows as well without issues. Someone said Photoshop for Windows is inferior….how so? The real difference is the operating system experience, not software performance. I prefer to drive OSX, others prefer Windows.

If you have good ideas and fast computers, I think a native chip experience is just a luxury to look forward to.

By: David B. Brooks

David B. Brooks — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:43:44 +0000

First of all are those new graphics people working in Windows there because they switched from the Mac or are they there because a corporate IT manager dictated the platform for graphics people working in-house?

Second, Adobe should know that Microsoft for all of their arrogant hubris is not likely to even catch up to Apples Colorsync 4 with Vista. Does anyone want to bet that MS does any better even implementing ICM 3.0 than they accomplished with the release of Windows 2000 when Vista hits the street the end of January?

By: Jon Fortt

Jon Fortt — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:58:13 +0000

Actually, you're off a little. PDF has skewed Adobe's revenues far more to the PC side. And the Lightroom/Aperture rivalry isn't nasty, but I wouldn't call it friendly anymore. In my conversations with Adobe folks, all the way up to the CEO, they're eager to point out ways that they're outsmarting Apple.

That said, this post makes very clear that the anti-Adobe folks are a segment of the Mac community that's causing the ruckus, and it's not the whole group. That's the same thing Adobe's John Nack is saying (it's not just on MacDailyNews).

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:23:09 +0000

There seems to be a lack of facts here. First of all, somewhere between 40 and 50 percent of Adobe's revenues come from Mac software sales. And not only that, Macs still make up the largest share of Apple's profits – especially recently. The profit margins on Macs is much highter than the profit margins on iPods.

That is neither here nor there, though. Adobe and Apple have a very good relationship these days. Competition with Aperture and Lightroom is very friendly so far. Adobe has said they won't let happen to them what happened with Premier. That's good! Maybe Lightroom will continue to have a Mac version this time! It can only help us Aperture users get better software too.

Mac fans are no better or worse than PC fans. Check out how digg is censoring Roughlydrafted.com these days. Nobody takes Macdailynews.com seriously for the most part anyway. They're a bit too shrill in their "support" of all things Mac. But the PC fanboys are just as obnoxious and just as ignorant of the other side as the worst Mac fanboys.

So lets not set up any false controversies here about Mac fans being more off the bubble than the PC side.

As the wise man once said: "Aren't you afraid that all those straw men you keep invoking will gang up on you?"

By: Roger MacBook Pro

Roger MacBook Pro — Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:23:16 +0000

I had a powerbook 667 that finally died so I had to upgrade. I got a 2Ghz MacBook Pro and it is great. I'm a designer and print production guy who generally has indesign, illustrator, photoshop, acrobat and quark along with mail, safari, preview and iphoto pretty much running all the time.

Yes, there are slowdowns at times, but, seriously, it all works great. Yes it'll be better when adobe updates but damn people, it's only a few months. The one time it does fall down is when trying to do a separation preview in indesign of an EPS made in quark. Don't ask, sometimes it has to be done. I long for the day quark dies it's deserving death

In case you're saying "well of course it's better than a 667", We've got a ton of other macs at work that I use on a daily basis and they're all really fast. Dual 2.0 G4s, Core Duo imacs, even the cool as all hell little minis. They all are really good.

Someone else mentioned a sense of entitlement and I think they're right, mac users have it better now than ever and still there are complaints. I do wonder however, if some or even most of the whining is done by people who don't even have an intel mac or is just FUD by windows users.

By: jbelkin

jbelkin — Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:03:43 +0000

This is pretty much Adobe's doing and it all goes back to Adobe's attempt to lock down the font market way back but Apple not wanting to choose a proprietary choice went with QuickdrawXL (?) … I'm not expert so i'm sure there's some detailed writeup somewhere on the web but after that – Adobe basically treated Apple and Mac users as a hated stepchild. It was also during that time that Windows took off but Apple users were stubborn, refusing to give up the Mac – for Adobe, it was large enough they couldn't concede the Mac market by abadoning it but clearly they were annoyed they had to support two platforms – everything appeared first on Windows – sometimes 6-12 months earlier! just as the big-then switch from OS6 to a much different OS7, Abobe was late and slow – they were real, real late from Classic to OSX – took them 11 months after the switch also and now, once again … part of it is they know that people are not going to switch from PS but Adobe better watch out because like at Quark, arrogance usually comes back to bite you. I think Apple will wait until PS is out and having sold an extra 500,000 blistering Quad chip desktops, Apple will release their PS killer sometime in 2008 – of course, not everyone is willing to switch but people will give it a try because Apple can sell a full blown graphics editing app at $299-$399 and be more than ahppy knowing that like Apeture, the serious people will be willing to spend another $4k to get full use of it … Adobe – too arrogant and too slow.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:47:33 +0000

Several of my clients are waiting until an updated version of Creative Suite is available before they upgrade to new MACs. That represents nearly 100 of the most powerful MAC systems w/displays, along with all that software $$. There is no way these old-timers will switch from MAC or CS. Productivity = Profits

By: Jon Fortt

Jon Fortt — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:27:05 +0000

To address the comment on sales and profit growth: two things.

First, Apple itself has attributed some of the uptick in Mac sales to the "halo effect" from the iPod. So though Apple recently got a nice Mac bump that made its computers top-sellers again, the company attributes some of that to the iPod.

Second, I mentioned growth specifically. The Mac's doing well lately, but it's still nowhere near the iPod and iTunes in terms of sales and profit growth trajectory. We'll see if that changes.